It's not per pack. Whether you get one pack or ten packs it's the same fee.
Sannies
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It's not per pack. Whether you get one pack or ten packs it's the same fee.
SpaaaceCowboy
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Not all sannies strains are easy to grow, but when you get it right you get great some. I would like to point out that the other genetics in sanniesshop is just as dank. Honestly my favorites are Lady Canen Silverfields, sannies jack x heribei (freebie) and the new Nepalma and from usc (grows like its on steroids lol) .
The most vigorous plant i found from sanniesshop was a Killing Fields (very tasty but lacked in potency..) . The most potent was Extrema (taste great, potent, great for pain, boring high).
I did find potent KF phenos but i diddnt find any extremas with a nice high. I kept the extrema mother for 1½ year tho since it worked great for a family member who has artritis. all my extrema phenos where next to idendtical, but this was the first generation of extema. I found 0 hermies in extrema from over 15 seeds so i think the hermie problem came after the first generation seeds.
I diddent like their F2 bluehammer... Maybe i suck but every single one yellowed on me straight from sprout no matter what i did.
From all sannies shop strains I like knutsels and escobars work the most so far. However Sannies still get the gold cause he is just such a great guy.
Man do i like to ramble on and on..
Happy growing people
thanks for posting this man...I have an arthritic neck that can get real stiff sometimes giving me headaches....I've been looking for a strain to grow that might help it....I think you just helped me decided....Thanks a lot bro !
SpaaaceCowboy
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I can't remember off hand...I want to say something like $13 USD....If you order what ever you do pay the extra $6 or whatever it is and GET TRACKING !!!! I never got my first order...I did tracking second order, and had no problems.
I have also ordered seeds from other sites, and I want to say the postage was about the same price....What it comes down to is you're getting some real good seeds...When you are smoking the dank the last thing you will be thinking about is the $13 shipping charge....
Now go get some seeds man !!!
SpaaaceCowboy
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After going through this thread I think Extrema and Shackzilla will be next on my list.
er0senin
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thanks for posting this man...I have an arthritic neck that can get real stiff sometimes giving me headaches....I've been looking for a strain to grow that might help it....I think you just helped me decided....Thanks a lot bro !
Glad my post was usefull to someone!
I might have been a bit negative when describing extrema last time so ill di it again. Very good trichome production and potent hashy flavour. yield is average. Potency is above average. Plants dont stretch much but definitely more than for example a kush strain. Easy to grow. responds well to pruning, lst, traning. should not be trimmed in flower. has no problem with high or low temperatures or fluctuations (as long as within acceptabel range). not suceptible to mould (i never had issues) . grows uniform but some pheno has good but not great bud/calyx ratios.
Now take note that the seeds i grew were all from when he first released the strain. It has since then been said to be hermie prone and from what i head sannie is thinking of removing this strain from his line-up .
The next strain im growing from sanniesshop will be his mad scientist which is also a Herijuana hybrid (the reason i chose extrema in the first place) . just cant decide if i want the fem version or if i should just buy 2-4 indica mix regular packs and try and find a real sexy F2 and some males to breed with. from what i read on the forums the Mad Scient is dank and imr eally looking forward to trying her out.
Hope i diddnt make it harder for you
Peace
The $13 includes track and trace. BTW @SpaceCowboy you'll love shackzilla. just make sure you don't veg too long b/c she gets really tall during the 4th and 5th week of flower. I'd watch sannies grow video on shackzilla for a reference. I vegged shackzilla for a week and a half and ended up with almost 5 foot tall plants. It does of coures depend on the pheno, but if you get the tall pheno that's what to expect.
SpaaaceCowboy
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ok question of the day....I always see "F1", "F2", etc....what the heck does that mean ? Something with generation or something ? I know it must mean something good, lol....Or so it seems.
OGEvilgenius
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thanks for posting this man...I have an arthritic neck that can get real stiff sometimes giving me headaches....I've been looking for a strain to grow that might help it....I think you just helped me decided....Thanks a lot bro !
Herijuana is really awesome as a painkiller in my experience. I've grown the I guess 2nd generation Extrema. Also has good pain killing properties. I think pure Heri is better though, at least for aches and pains from day to day. I find sativas best for nerve pain, but that's different from what you're suffering.
That said, pure Heri isn't for everyone. The flavor/taste isn't appealing to all, it tends to be a bit coffee like when it's all said and done and it's very difficult to clone. One of the most difficult you will find. That's due to it being heavily inbred. It also won't yield worth a shit. That said, great medicine.
OGEvilgenius
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They are Mendellian terminology. An F1 is the first cross between two largely different genotypes. IE: Afghani x Thai. The f2 would be the second generation and so on. F2's are highly variable. F1's are very stable. If you get an F1 and it's all over the map like most, it's not really an F1. It's a polyhybrid.
F1's have huge vigor as they take the best genetics from both parents. F2's will be all over the place. Some will have all the worst traits of the parents.
I strongly recommend all enthusiasts get to know a little about breeding and what it all means - it's really useful in determining what is a good buy and what isn't IMO. There's a lot of junk out there at the moment not really worth paying for.
gabechihua
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Really? I was under the impression that an F1 was just the first generation of a new hybrid regardless of whether it's a polyhybrid or not, and there is really no guarantee on stability unless the parents are stable themselves. I also thought the F2 generation could be more stable than the F1 if the parents were carefully selected for similarities. I thought that was the reason some breeders inbreed to F3 status and beyond, to lock down the desirable traits and eliminate the not so desirable. Do you have a source for this info, I would really like to know what the real truth of the matter is?
OGEvilgenius
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Really? I was under the impression that an F1 was just the first generation of a new hybrid regardless of whether it's a polyhybrid or not, and there is really no guarantee on stability unless the parents are stable themselves. I also thought the F2 generation could be more stable than the F1 if the parents were carefully selected for similarities. I thought that was the reason some breeders inbreed to F3 status and beyond, to lock down the desirable traits and eliminate the not so desirable. Do you have a source for this info, I would really like to know what the real truth of the matter is?
No serious plant breeder would call a polyhybrid an F1. Marijuana breeders often do, but IMO, they are incorrect. The term F1 has a lot of things associated with it and you would expect an F1 to behave a certain way if you bought any other kind of plant. There could be some small variability in F1's, but it should not be huge.
racerboy71
bud bootlegger
Really? I was under the impression that an F1 was just the first generation of a new hybrid regardless of whether it's a polyhybrid or not, and there is really no guarantee on stability unless the parents are stable themselves. I also thought the F2 generation could be more stable than the F1 if the parents were carefully selected for similarities. I thought that was the reason some breeders inbreed to F3 status and beyond, to lock down the desirable traits and eliminate the not so desirable. Do you have a source for this info, I would really like to know what the real truth of the matter is?
usually in an f1, the breeder has selected genetics from two parents for their best characteristics, and if they started with solid genetics, the offspring should all show the traits they were selected for..
with the f2 generation, this is when the recessive traits will start to show up, ie, the unwanteds.. low yield, no potency, etc..
a good breeder will pick through the offspring to find the same traits they were looking for in the original cross, and bx them to the parents again, creating an f3.. the f3 should be a bit more stable than the 2's. you keep working a line for several generations, keep crossing all of the plants that display what you're looking for.. after so many generations, a cross will be considered an inbred line, i think it's around f6 or 7'ish, if not more.. an ibl, will be what is called true breeding, with very lil variation from seed to seed, and each will display what ever the breeder was breeding for.. whether it's potency, yield, flavor, high thc level, etc, etc, etc.. herijuana is considered an ibl now..
OGEvilgenius
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Actually, the best way to breed is to take multiple moms/fathers that show the characteristics you want on one half of the cross. Stabilize it. Then do the same for the other half. Then cross them and get a real F1 with insane vigor and hopefully the characteristics you were looking for. What racer is suggesting will create an IBL for you - which is fantastic, but often has problems and IMO isn't really what most people are looking to buy when they buy seeds. Most folks want the biggest yielding and most potent. Generally those will come from F1's. Well, usually IBL's are similarly potent, but they lack the other good traits an F1 has.
If you have a large population you can create pretty awesome IBLs, but no one in the industry has the ability to do this right now. Even in the most liberal areas, the plant numbers are far too high.
If you have a large population you can create pretty awesome IBLs, but no one in the industry has the ability to do this right now. Even in the most liberal areas, the plant numbers are far too high.
racerboy71
bud bootlegger
don't most ibl's do better in a cross than just a straight strain of their own?? not sure i worded that last part right, but i mean for instance, dj short's blueberry. a notoriously hard to grow strain, but it's used tons in crosses..
OGEvilgenius
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I have seen a lot of conflicted reports on his blueberry. But yes, generally they will do so much better in crosses. The method you're describing will create another IBL. Which in turn could bring problems. Unfortunately when you can't grow ALOT of plants, you sometimes have to select the next closest to ideal - in DJ's case he clearly had to take plants with undesirable traits to get what he wanted.
But yeah, you're correct.
But yeah, you're correct.
racerboy71
bud bootlegger
even if you took say a poly and crossed it with an ibl, you'd still end up with an ibl og?
gabechihua
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Thanks for clearing that up guys. Personally I think a stable F1 is ideal for someone with limited space and also wants a vigorous plant that doesn't have the inherent problems that some inbred lines do. But If you have the time, space, and patience a polyhybrid offers you the chance to hunt out phenos and select a plant that best suits you, which is pretty cool if you ask me. Imagine finding something totally unique like the cherry pheno of AK47, which supposedly pops up once every 1,000 plants, I would be totally stoked. It's all a matter of personal preference I guess, and one mans trash really is another mans treasure when it comes to this subject.
