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Is Obama the second coming of Jesus Christ or is he merely Christ-like?

UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Red1966 said:
Let's be clear here. You're saying you have the right to take from others to do with as you please. You are no more than a thief pretending to be a good Samaritan.
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that's not actually what he's saying at all.

but don't let facts stop you from trying to shove your untailored, one size fits all, square peg of an argument into that round hole.

we all understand that you lack the mental faculties to actually respond to what he is saying and instead just choose to re-bleat your tired old worn out rhetoric as if it were somehow relevant.
 
MidwesternGro

MidwesternGro

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Red1966 said:
Let's be clear here. You're saying you have the right to take from others to do with as you please. You are no more than a thief pretending to be a good Samaritan.
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Ridiculous. I suppose you have never used public roads or walked through a common area like a park.

"Yer stealin' mah money when yas use it fer stuff!"

The only reason that right-wingers complain about the social safety net is because they imagine that some dusky-skinned person might get something. There will always be a need to have government safety nets and poor people are not poor because there is something wrong with them. The entire way our economy is now structured, the "Service Economy", is deeply flawed. The most vulnerable, single mothers and minorities, bear the brunt of the inequities systemic within the system.

But feel free to bitch and moan while you scapegoat poor people. The corporations will continue to ship away jobs and import labor, both illegal and H1-B visa holders, while you continue to blame minorities and women. Get a clue and realize that it is not the powerless that are causing the problems but the powerful.
 
MidwesternGro

MidwesternGro

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UncleBuck said:
that's why they bitch so much more about food stamps and "obamaphones" rather than social security or medicare.
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Right. If it benefits them they paid into the system and deserve to have it, even if, as is the case with Medicare and Social Security, they will get more out of it than they ever put in it. But food stamps and Medicaid are wrong, even though most people who use them have paid into the system at one time or another. This is, of course, because people of color are forced to rely on these programs more because of the racism prevalent in our society, so the right-wing racists want to do away with these programs.

Consequences and human dignity be damned. A quote from Lee Atwater, a close associate of President Reagan, about the Republican's Southern Strategy:

"You start out in 1954 by saying, "N*gger, n*gger, n*gger." By 1968 you can't say "n*gger" — that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me — because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "N*gger, n*igger.""
 
Red1966

Red1966

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MidwesternGro said:
Ridiculous. I suppose you have never used public roads or walked through a common area like a park.

"Yer stealin' mah money when yas use it fer stuff!"

The only reason that right-wingers complain about the social safety net is because they imagine that some dusky-skinned person might get something. There will always be a need to have government safety nets and poor people are not poor because there is something wrong with them. The entire way our economy is now structured, the "Service Economy", is deeply flawed. The most vulnerable, single mothers and minorities, bear the brunt of the inequities systemic within the system.

But feel free to bitch and moan while you scapegoat poor people. The corporations will continue to ship away jobs and import labor, both illegal and H1-B visa holders, while you continue to blame minorities and women. Get a clue and realize that it is not the powerless that are causing the problems but the powerful.
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Get a clue that you are not a saint because you advocate that others "save the children" while you do nothing. Let's not pretend I ever even mentioned "some dusky-skinned person". If you can't defend your lack of charity, pretending I'm some racist isn't going to fool anybody.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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MidwesternGro said:
Right. If it benefits them they paid into the system and deserve to have it, even if, as is the case with Medicare and Social Security, they will get more out of it than they ever put in it. But food stamps and Medicaid are wrong, even though most people who use them have paid into the system at one time or another. This is, of course, because people of color are forced to rely on these programs more because of the racism prevalent in our society, so the right-wing racists want to do away with these programs.

Consequences and human dignity be damned. A quote from Lee Atwater, a close associate of President Reagan, about the Republican's Southern Strategy:

"You start out in 1954 by saying, "N*gger, n*gger, n*gger." By 1968 you can't say "n*gger" — that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me — because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "N*gger, n*igger.""
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you got it.

those "broadly targeted" programs like social security and medicare are not seen as helping blacks in america more than whites in america, so they don't get stigmatized like other programs do.

but programs like food stamps or "obamaphones" or welfare do get racialized. recall newt gingrich's infamous line about "the food stamp president" or romney's completely false attack on obama's welfare reform (ya know, the one that republican governors asked for) or the labeling of reagan's lifeline program as "obamaphone".

it's completely obvious if you're not trying to be blind to it.
 
MidwesternGro

MidwesternGro

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Red1966 said:
Get a clue that you are not a saint because you advocate that others "save the children" while you do nothing. Let's not pretend I ever even mentioned "some dusky-skinned person". If you can't defend your lack of charity, pretending I'm some racist isn't going to fool anybody.
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I give to charity. St. Judes in particular.
 
MidwesternGro

MidwesternGro

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Red1966 said:
The amount you give and who you give it to, will be determined, not by you, but by others. Namely, polititions trying to buy votes. Is that the system you prefer?
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I prefer a system that provides a social safety net for the vulnerable. Just because something is not perfect does not mean you do away with it.
 
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tokeprep

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MidwesternGro said:
Ridiculous. I suppose you have never used public roads or walked through a common area like a park.

"Yer stealin' mah money when yas use it fer stuff!"

The only reason that right-wingers complain about the social safety net is because they imagine that some dusky-skinned person might get something. There will always be a need to have government safety nets and poor people are not poor because there is something wrong with them. The entire way our economy is now structured, the "Service Economy", is deeply flawed. The most vulnerable, single mothers and minorities, bear the brunt of the inequities systemic within the system.

But feel free to bitch and moan while you scapegoat poor people. The corporations will continue to ship away jobs and import labor, both illegal and H1-B visa holders, while you continue to blame minorities and women. Get a clue and realize that it is not the powerless that are causing the problems but the powerful.
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Now that is utterly offensive. I complain about the social safety net because I see lazy white trash people abusing it, not because I imagine people of different skin colors doing the same. I'm guessing most of the recipients of federal government aid are white. Unless I'm wrong, hating on the social safety net is hating on white people.

As many people as I've known who used food stamps in order to buy alcohol with their real money, I'm quite suspicious of that social safety net. In an age when we can electronically monitor every single transaction there's no reason to allow food stamp recipients to buy beer every week.
 
Red1966

Red1966

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MidwesternGro said:
I prefer a system that provides a social safety net for the vulnerable. Just because something is not perfect does not mean you do away with it.
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So you still assert a "right" to take from others to pay tribute to your deity, the Federal Government? How are you different than a common thief?
 
Red1966

Red1966

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MidwesternGro said:
I prefer a system that provides a social safety net for the vulnerable. Just because something is not perfect does not mean you do away with it.
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Just because you want something, doesn't give the right to take it from others. How are you different than a common thief?
 
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