Airplanes don't just fall out of the sky

Doer

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i believe that to be true..what is fly-by-wire?

damn! this is perplexing..i do love a good mystery..let's take a look at the newest info:

1. definitely turned around, made moves; changed altitude (human)
2. took one of two routes..toward africa or down toward antarctic/australia
3. if toward africa they would have been captured on radar again

magic florida 8-ball says and schuylaars brain filter..co-pilot

1. not well known
2. young
3. could be cell of terrorist group from china
4. what's more terrifying to a group of chinese than boarding a plane..never to be seen again?
5. crippling..they were able to take out 200 people in one swoop.
Fly by wire, simply means they don't fly by cables anymore. It is kinda funny to think of a big airplane like that where the pilots have no direct connection to the control surfaces.

So F-b-W is replacing all those brute force, control cables hookups to the yoke and pedals, for the pilot to get a real workout on. Now, it is signal wires and power actuators.

Instead of honking into a turn physically, we ask nicely through control moves that are not pulling actual control cables back and forth. Cable are single point failure modes. F-b-W is set up in redundant systems.

Our little moves tell the computer to do little moves, our big moves command big moves, but, no giant, Oh No!!!, back pressures to our hands and feet.

In fact it is more than eliminating the strength required to fly big planes.

There are planes now, not commercial, military fighters that are designed to be so nimble they are "dynamically divergent."

It means the opposite of stable. The 777 is stable and will glide without power.

But, many planes now, cannot be flown by hand. The computer considers what the warfigher is asking, and the computer is capable of rendering the pilot unconscious if the moves are too abrupt. She does not want that.

So, even in the heat of it, the airplane is guarding the pilot and doing the flying. She takes the commands and does something airworthy with it. She ignore commands that would rip off the wings and/or knock out the pilot, with GLOC. Gee induced Loss of Consciousness. If the pilot does go out, his ship eases up the gees and levels off.

These computers all have female voices.
People listen better to females. A Fact.

That is the State of the Art, of Fly by Wire. It makes maintenance at once more easy for many things and more complicated for back at the shop calibration stuff.
 

desert dude

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They are quietly producing a video to blame it on...
Hillary, when asked to comment on the strange disappearance of the airplane snarled, "What, at this point, does it matter?". She then tore a nine month fetus from the womb of a praying woman and devoured the fetus whole as a show of her solidarity against the "war on women".
 

NoDrama

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These computers all have female voices.
People listen better to females. A Fact.
Female voices are more soothing and stress reducing, its got little to do with command authority.

BTW the voice is colloquially called "Bitchin' Betty" by Fighter Pilots.

She is the central aural warning system

She dates the "Retard, Retard" guy from Airbus.

Her mating call? "Altitude, Altitude".

[video=youtube;bzlP1kwR7KM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzlP1kwR7KM[/video]

Nissan 280ZX has Her too.

"the door is ajar, The door is ajar"

Me: "No, its a door"
 

Doer

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No, not command authority. I never said that.

Listened to. That's what I said. Women know this and practice it automatically.

Pull out! Pull out!!!
 

Antidisestablishmentarian

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I think it came apart mid air, one way or another. It can and does happen due to structural failure. Many times they make it.. Southwest and Aloha Airlines come to mind. Other times they don't, like Japan Airlines.

It's usually a good 6 months before the preliminary report on the wreckage is released, and a good year before anything final. Unless they uncover some plot, it'll be at least that long before we know anything for sure.

I know many pilots and none of them would ever willingly give up their aircraft, especially in this day and age. I heard a Boeing pilot (I forget which 7x7) say the first thing he'd do if he knew there was a hijack attempt was to roll the plane. An Airbus would never allow that move, though, because they are fly-by-wire. At the very least, you would for sure bump your transponder from 7500 to 7600(?) to alert ATC.

Some other points concerning previous posts..

The masks will drop if the cabin altitude goes over something like 12K feet. It doesn't matter how fast it gets there, explosive or slow leak.

Certificating new parts is indeed quite expensive and greatly stalls the use of new technology. The two most common piston engine manufacturers (Lycoming and Continental) still produce engines that were originally certificated in like, the 40's. I think the current average cost of R+D is 4 million dollars and 2 years of red tape for any new part or system, and there is no guarantee the FAA will grant you a PMA (parts manufacturing authorization).
The masks will drop but don't last long(10-15 minutes and it's 14000 ft I believe). The pilots on the other hand, their oxygen is good for however long they need it.
 

schuylaar

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Female voices are more soothing and stress reducing, its got little to do with command authority.

BTW the voice is colloquially called "Bitchin' Betty" by Fighter Pilots.

She is the central aural warning system

She dates the "Retard, Retard" guy from Airbus.

Her mating call? "Altitude, Altitude".

[video=youtube;bzlP1kwR7KM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzlP1kwR7KM[/video]

Nissan 280ZX has Her too.

"the door is ajar, The door is ajar"

Me: "No, its a door"
i wonder how much they pay a women to try to sound like a computer?..you know who's annoying, the gps:

re- routing..re-routing
 

schuylaar

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a fine, almost spring saturday morning today.

isn't it odd that i harvested about a pound of headband last night, and the cops leading the st. patty's day parade by my house are less of a worry than cranky republican cop callers in my computer?

:bigjoint:

hope your day goes as well as mine goes.
only if i had some of that headband:wink:
 

UncleBuck

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only if i had some of that headband:wink:
the headband is gonna be stinking things up around here for the next 10-20 days.

i have a variety batch mellowing out from its stinky phase right now, a whole bunch of strains i hate to grow but which patients and clients demand.

a nice mix of star trek, GDP, WMD, NYCD, and an unknown strain that i was given by a one testicled fellow awaits.
 

schuylaar

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the headband is gonna be stinking things up around here for the next 10-20 days.

i have a variety batch mellowing out from its stinky phase right now, a whole bunch of strains i hate to grow but which patients and clients demand.

a nice mix of star trek, GDP, WMD, NYCD, and an unknown strain that i was given by a one testicled fellow awaits.
nicenicenice!
 

Doer

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You know about Majel Barrett, right? -Rondenberry? The voice of the Enterprise? Good gig. I hear hear around sometimes, I think.

Though, I see we are not only using female voices anymore. Does this guy seem....funny? Not that there is anything wrong with that.


757 cockpit computer voice warning sequence with tone alerts
http://www.soundsnap.com/node/23744

 

Glaucoma

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I've never worked on them but I'm certain they last longer than just 15 mins. The chemical reaction masks will last an hour and automatically ignite when they fall. If they use engine bleed air, then it'll supply air as long as the engines are turning.. It all depends on the system in use. 15 minutes is probably the shortest time the FAA will allow.

Cabin crew has LOX (liquid Oxygen) tanks.
 

Glaucoma

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LOL, seriously? You've clearly never piloted an aircraft or worked on one. Did you stay at a Holiday Inn last night?

Lets see now..

Fly by wire, simply means they don't fly by cables anymore. It is kinda funny to think of a big airplane like that where the pilots have no direct connection to the control surfaces.

So F-b-W is replacing all those brute force, control cables hookups to the yoke and pedals, for the pilot to get a real workout on. Now, it is signal wires and power actuators.

Instead of honking into a turn physically, we ask nicely through control moves that are not pulling actual control cables back and forth. Cable are single point failure modes. F-b-W is set up in redundant systems.

Our little moves tell the computer to do little moves, our big moves command big moves, but, no giant, Oh No!!!, back pressures to our hands and feet.
The ONLY time an aircraft will provide control feedback is if you are in an airliner that is about to stall. It will shake the stick. All other indicators come in the form of lights and sounds. If you slam the stick on an Airbus full left, the plane will bank 15* and stop and hold. It will never push back. You can hold it there all day long and never get tired.

In fact it is more than eliminating the strength required to fly big planes.
Yeah, see, planes have balanced control surfaces and are all quite easy to move no matter their size or how your controls are linked, be it torque tubes or steel cables. If you can push a 1lb weight around you can operate the controls of any aircraft. If you can't during preflight, you don't take off. I know a flight instructor that has his students land a few times using nothing but trim controls and throttle.

There are planes now, not commercial, military fighters that are designed to be so nimble they are "dynamically divergent."
This has been the case longer than it hasn't. Negative stability is a side effect of being so maneuverable. It means that the plane will continue to execute a control input even after you've let go of the control. Neutral stability would maintain the last input control, and positive stability will return the aircraft to level flight. Fighters have always had negative stability, this is nothing new.

It means the opposite of stable. The 777 is stable and will glide without power.
A 777 without power will glide about as well as a rock. Swept back wings are much harder to control at low speeds, and they also increase your stall speed. If you can't maintain a good airspeed, you will stall in no time and simply fall from the sky. This means you have to dive and you only have so much altitude to work with. It's a jumbo jet, not a Super Cub.

But, many planes now, cannot be flown by hand. The computer considers what the warfigher is asking, and the computer is capable of rendering the pilot unconscious if the moves are too abrupt. She does not want that.
Many planes now (fighter and commercial), with the exception of 99% of them in service today.

So, even in the heat of it, the airplane is guarding the pilot and doing the flying. She takes the commands and does something airworthy with it. She ignore commands that would rip off the wings and/or knock out the pilot, with GLOC. Gee induced Loss of Consciousness. If the pilot does go out, his ship eases up the gees and levels off.
Are you talking about fighters again? Because if this is true, it's new. The last thing you want in a fighter is a computer overriding your control input. Are you telling me that if a fighter is pulling out of, say, a loop, and the G meter triggers the plane to stop pulling up, it's going to crash him into the ground? I find that pretty hard to believe. You would never allow a computer to control a plane in these roles. Passenger planes? Sure. Fighter jets and aerobatic planes? I don't see that happening. I think it would cost more lives than it could save. The whole point in these platforms is to give the pilot complete control. So what if you input a command that rips the wings off? If you wanted a safer plane, you'd be in an airliner flying straight and level not in a fighter jet.

These computers all have female voices.
People listen better to females. A Fact.

That is the State of the Art, of Fly by Wire. It makes maintenance at once more easy for many things and more complicated for back at the shop calibration stuff.
Yeah, because yanno, trouble shooting 3 miles of wiring, electrical actuators and relays is way easier than inspecting a steel cable and some pulleys. And shop calibration? You mean like adjusting micro switches just as they have done for decades for things like, oh, I dunno.. landing gear, flaps, slats, doors, even some primary control surfaces..

The biggest advantage of a fly by wire system is the weight savings.

You can stop pretending you know what you are talking about now..

P.S. They don't all have female voices either, just most of them.
 

Glaucoma

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Another filthy lowpost.
Please tell me what my post count has to do with the BS you are spouting.

If I had 1000 posts of stuff I've pulled out of my ass would you take me more seriously? Is that how it works around here?

Edit: On second thought, don't bother. It's pretty clear to me that you know you don't have a leg to stand on. haha.. as if my post count is to blame for you thinking you know anything at all about airplanes.
 

Antidisestablishmentarian

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I've never worked on them but I'm certain they last longer than just 15 mins. The chemical reaction masks will last an hour and automatically ignite when they fall. If they use engine bleed air, then it'll supply air as long as the engines are turning.. It all depends on the system in use. 15 minutes is probably the shortest time the FAA will allow.

Cabin crew has LOX (liquid Oxygen) tanks.
I was watching an interview on cnn with an expert and a 777 pilot. That's what they said.
 

Wavels

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Based upon recent reported evidence, it seems that this is the work of "evil doers".


Only the passage of time will reveal who and why.


it is very tempting to jump to satisfying conclusions nonetheless.
 
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