Anyone a fan of defoliation to increase yeild?

Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

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neo12345 said:
Agreed, but there are hacks on both sides.

The theory is that it doesn't work, yet more and more people are using this technique to great effect.
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Translation - "a thousand flies on a pile of shit can't be wrong." (especially applies in pot forums)

Some people will not let this conversation take place on here, at any cost.
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And some people can't do a fuckin' search before starting and replying to a (lame) topic that has been cussed and discussed a hundred times around here!
 
lilroach

lilroach

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chuck estevez said:
You make shit up with every post. GO SIT IN THE CORNER DUMBASS.
The THEORY, is that it costs more time and money to repair the fucked up plant. Damn dude, you just don't learn!!!
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Chuck.....you and I agree on much, but have to ask your opinion of "uncle bens' topping" as it too increases growing time. I've charted the difference in veg doing this topping and it adds about 10 days to two weeks of veg time. I have no problem with this extra time as I just allow for it when determining when to drop some seeds.
 
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joe macclennan

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sure, topping for 4-6 colas is a great way to increase yields. I think most who grow larger plants do this.

What these other folks are suggesting is waaaay different.

it's like comparing apples to motor oil :?
 
lilroach

lilroach

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I wasn't trying to compare UB's topping to defoliation....my comment was about adding veg time and the added expense of doing such a topping.....which was Chuck's point that defoliating adds growing time.
 
chuck estevez

chuck estevez

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lilroach said:
I wasn't trying to compare UB's topping to defoliation....my comment was about adding veg time and the added expense of doing such a topping.....which was Chuck's point that defoliating adds growing time.
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topping 1 time to increase yield that has been proven and is backed by science vs plucking leaves continuously thru the whole grow? what don't you get?

and ub's tech is only done on seed, not clones. which is they way I grow.
 
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CaretakerDad

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neo12345 said:
Agreed, but there are hacks on both sides.

The theory is that it doesn't work, yet more and more people are using this technique to great effect.

Some people will not let this conversation take place on here, at any cost.
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We won't let this "conversation" take place just like you wouldn't let your children listen to people who would tell them to ride a motorcycle without a helmet. Most experienced riders won't ride without one, not because it isn't a great feeling, but because it is dangerous. With very rare exceptions, experienced growers don't rape their plants for their own amusement. Encouraging Noobs to do terrible things to their plants that "stimulate growth" is a lot like telling your child to ride without a helmet because it feels good and helmets are for pussies.

PS The "theory" is that it DOES work. Proven science and professional growers with years of experience will tell you that it DOES NOT.
 
SnapsProvolone

SnapsProvolone

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CaretakerDad said:
We won't let this "conversation" take place just like you wouldn't let your children listen to people who would tell them to ride a motorcycle without a helmet. Most experienced riders won't ride without one, not because it isn't a great feeling, but because it is dangerous. With very rare exceptions, experienced growers don't rape their plants for their own amusement. Encouraging Noobs to do terrible things to their plants that "stimulate growth" is a lot like telling your child to ride without a helmet because it feels good and helmets are for pussies.

PS The "theory" is that it DOES work. Proven science and professional growers with years of experience will tell you that it DOES NOT.
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+rep.

Going bonsai on your plants is dumb. Were here growing pot, leo's cutting enough down, we don't need to help.
 
chuck estevez

chuck estevez

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CaretakerDad said:
We won't let this "conversation" take place just like you wouldn't let your children listen to people who would tell them to ride a motorcycle without a helmet. Most experienced riders won't ride without one, not because it isn't a great feeling, but because it is dangerous. With very rare exceptions, experienced growers don't rape their plants for their own amusement. Encouraging Noobs to do terrible things to their plants that "stimulate growth" is a lot like telling your child to ride without a helmet because it feels good and helmets are for pussies.

PS The "theory" is that it DOES work. Proven science and professional growers with years of experience will tell you that it DOES NOT.
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I think you're giving him way to much credit.
 
neo12345

neo12345

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Uncle Ben said:
Translation - "a thousand flies on a pile of shit can't be wrong." (especially applies in pot forums)

And some people can't do a fuckin' search before starting and replying to a (lame) topic that has been cussed and discussed a hundred times around here!
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Surely every topic on here has been discussed hundreds of times over? Should the forum just shut down because we can't learn anything else?

If this has been discussed so many times then why is the argument against defoliation so flimsy and incoherent, with no proof to back it up? The argument ranges so wildly in it's claims and changes daily, I would have thought that the evidence against defoliation would have been stronger than a house made from bricks?

I still don't understand why we cannot discuss this technique without it just attracting haters who feel the need to force their opinions on us, effectively ruining any sort of discussion we may want to have about it? I'm an atheist personally, but I don't go to churches on a sunday to try and force people to change their opinions!!

The latest news just in is that the Defolihaters are now saying that defoliation does work but there might/could/possibly/maybe be an increase in veg time, most people are focusing on the veg time as the argument.

If defoliation now does work, then I ask again why are we not allowed to discuss the subject?
 
chuck estevez

chuck estevez

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neo12345 said:
Surely every topic on here has been discussed hundreds of times over? Should the forum just shut down because we can't learn anything else?

If this has been discussed so many times then why is the argument against defoliation so flimsy and incoherent, with no proof to back it up? The argument ranges so wildly in it's claims and changes daily, I would have thought that the evidence against defoliation would have been stronger than a house made from bricks?

I still don't understand why we cannot discuss this technique without it just attracting haters who feel the need to force their opinions on us, effectively ruining any sort of discussion we may want to have about it? I'm an atheist personally, but I don't go to churches on a sunday to try and force people to change their opinions!!

The latest news just in is that the Defolihaters are now saying that defoliation does work but there might/could/possibly/maybe be an increase in veg time, most people are focusing on the veg time as the argument.

If defoliation now does work, then I ask again why are we not allowed to discuss the subject?
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We provided you proof, you chose to ignore it. YOUR evidence FOR defoil is what is flimsy and full of holes(literally) You Don't understand anything apparently. WHY do you keep yelling from your soapbox? No One is listening.
 
neo12345

neo12345

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joe macclennan said:
sure, topping adds some veg time. there is no question. 10 days to two weeks minimum ime.
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Hmmmm doesn't sound very efficient to me?? :mrgreen:

Don't tell anyone but I don't turn my lights off during 12/12, I just cover them up!! Cost's me twice as much in electricity but I don't care!!
 
profterpen

profterpen

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chuck estevez said:
We provided you proof, you chose to ignore it. YOUR evidence FOR defoil is what is flimsy and full of holes(literally) You Don't understand anything apparently. WHY do you keep yelling from your soapbox? No One is listening.
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Tested at 100.3% THC. Google it, PBS recorded the whole thing. For real dude.

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