ted cruz slams oboma on stance on legalized marijuana in two states.

racerboy71

racerboy71

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http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/01/10/senator-ted-cruz-attacks-obama-for-not-locking-up-marijuana-users-in-colorado/

a few clips i liked..

Cruz said the Obama administration should continue imprisoning people for using marijuana until federal law is changed.

Republicans who would say, ‘We ought to change our drug policy in some way,’ and you could have a real conversation, you could have hearings, you could look at the problem, you could discuss commonsense changes that maybe should happen or shouldn’t happen. This president didn’t do that. He just said, ‘The laws say one thing’ — and mind you these are criminal laws, these are laws that say if you do ‘X, Y, and Z’ you will go to prison. The president announced, ‘No, you won’t.’”


.. ummm, ok ted, let's keep locking people up over a plant, sounds good to me buddy... ted cruz for president, 2016 i say.. NOT..
 
UncleBuck

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oooooh, i hope he keeps talking.

if ted cruz wants it, the rest of america will go the other way in no time.
 
ginwilly

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While I'm extremely happy that Obama would not lock up us pot heads. I agree that it isn't his authority. He could however, push the law to be changed tomorrow (meaning it MIGHT happen before the elections after receiving the poll numbers).

I'm torn. Even when a president does something I am in favor of happening, when it happens in such a way that could set precedent, it makes me nervous. I would hate to see what a president Palin-type could do if she decided which laws we can follow or not. It's just not how our balance of powers were set up. As the executive branch accumulates powers, the foundation for the eventual throne for dictatorship is being laid.

The system really can work if we follow it's design. With Obama's support, pot could be decriminalized within months for the rest of us too. By just ignoring federal law instead of changing it, he's muddying the waters. IMO, Ted Cruz is right.
 
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LIBERTYCHICKEN

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racerboy71 said:
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/01/10/senator-ted-cruz-attacks-obama-for-not-locking-up-marijuana-users-in-colorado/

a few clips i liked..

Cruz said the Obama administration should continue imprisoning people for using marijuana until federal law is changed.

Republicans who would say, ‘We ought to change our drug policy in some way,’ and you could have a real conversation, you could have hearings, you could look at the problem, you could discuss commonsense changes that maybe should happen or shouldn’t happen. This president didn’t do that. He just said, ‘The laws say one thing’ — and mind you these are criminal laws, these are laws that say if you do ‘X, Y, and Z’ you will go to prison. The president announced, ‘No, you won’t.’”


.. ummm, ok ted, let's keep locking people up over a plant, sounds good to me buddy... ted cruz for president, 2016 i say.. NOT..
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The problem with that is not enforceing the law is derelict of duty.

A very serious offence for anyone let alone the POTUS
 
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ChesusRice

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ginwilly said:
While I'm extremely happy that Obama would not lock up us pot heads. I agree that it isn't his authority. He could however, push the law to be changed tomorrow (meaning it MIGHT happen before the elections after receiving the poll numbers).

I'm torn. Even when a president does something I am in favor of happening, when it happens in such a way that could set precedent, it makes me nervous. I would hate to see what a president Palin-type could do if she decided which laws we can follow or not. It's just not how our balance of powers were set up. As the executive branch accumulates powers, the foundation for the eventual throne for dictatorship is being laid.

The system really can work if we follow it's design. With Obama's support, pot could be decriminalized within months for the rest of us too. By just ignoring federal law instead of changing it, he's muddying the waters. IMO, Ted Cruz is right.
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Has to go thru congress. Then there is the issues of International Treaties
 
ginwilly

ginwilly

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ChesusRice said:
Has to go thru congress. Then there is the issues of International Treaties
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I believe there are enough Ted Cruz types in congress that would pass a decriminalization law if all of the dems voted in lockstep with the Prez. The International Treaties are because of us and our crazy Reefer Madness type mentality.

Sometimes doing it the right way isn't the easy way, but I'm not an ends justify the means type of guy. I believe in the process we've used for 2 centuries. I fear future presidents as each one takes more power upon himself than the last.

Bush won the general twice because people viewed him as the lesser of two evils. Obama won once on hope, the second time as the lesser of two evils. If we continue voting in the candidate we least dislike, we are perpetuating more and more evil as choices. It's game theory playing out in a sense.

Picture your worst possible scenario concerning future presidents. Would it be Palin or some religious whack job? You may think our country would never elect the type person you picture, but never underestimate the power of media in this country and the general lack of knowledge of the typical voter. Now picture that person ignoring the legislative branch when it comes to our nations laws. The possibility of women in prison for abortions is a loooooooong stretch, but we could eventually get there with the wrong president with the precedent this sets.
 
Antidisestablishmentarian

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I agree that congress needs to fix this, but at least somebody with some clout did something.

Sometimes it does seem hypocritical though, what with DEA raids still occurring in legal and mmj states.
 
Antidisestablishmentarian

Antidisestablishmentarian

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ChesusRice said:
Name one raid in compliance with the state laws the DEA raided in mmj states
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Then the state should handle it not the Feds. That's my issue.

DEA needs to stay out of the legal states in regards to marijuana period. It is a local issue.

Once again you show you are perfectly fine with people going to jail over pot. I'm not. At all.
 
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BigNBushy

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racerboy71 said:
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/01/10/senator-ted-cruz-attacks-obama-for-not-locking-up-marijuana-users-in-colorado/

a few clips i liked..

Cruz said the Obama administration should continue imprisoning people for using marijuana until federal law is changed.

Republicans who would say, ‘We ought to change our drug policy in some way,’ and you could have a real conversation, you could have hearings, you could look at the problem, you could discuss commonsense changes that maybe should happen or shouldn’t happen. This president didn’t do that. He just said, ‘The laws say one thing’ — and mind you these are criminal laws, these are laws that say if you do ‘X, Y, and Z’ you will go to prison. The president announced, ‘No, you won’t.’”


.. ummm, ok ted, let's keep locking people up over a plant, sounds good to me buddy... ted cruz for president, 2016 i say.. NOT..
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If I understood it correctly, and I think I did, Ted Cruz isn't really commenting on pot.

You are so simple and short sighted here that you accept the rule of man because in this instance it gives you what you want. The ONLY thing that ensures your freedom is the rule of law, and the Obama administration is making a laughing stock out of the rule of law concept. He didn't start it, many presidents have, but he has gone further than any other president before him.

I think the federal government ought to either enforce its laws, or have none.

The law is the cement holding society together. It should not be undermined. This is just one out of several times where Obama has decided to just do what ever he feels like instead of what the law says.

That is dangerous. I'm not a big fan of slippery slope arguments, but if it keeps progressing, it could one day be a dictator living in the white house instead of an elected president.

No, not Obama. The rule is still too strong and the time remaining in his term too short for him to become a dictator.

The main reason prohibition came to an end was because of rampant violation of the law. The law was becoming weak.

We are close to a tipping point with marijuana. 10 years I think and we will see a federal end to prohibition. But until then, to preserve the legitimacy of ALL law, every law ought to be given the semblance of being enforced; not an out right green light by the chief executive to violate them.
 
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beenthere

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Antidisestablishmentarian said:
Then the state should handle it not the Feds. That's my issue.

DEA needs to stay out of the legal states in regards to marijuana period. It is a local issue.

Once again you show you are perfectly fine with people going to jail over pot. I'm not. At all.
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You hit the nail on the head.
If there are dispensaries or growers that are not in compliance with the state laws, it should be up to the state authorities to enforce them.

Anyone who gives the federal government a pass on this issue, is choosing politics over the legalization of pot.
 
Doer

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This all just sounds like politics and trial balloons to me.

IOW, truth is not present.
 
ginwilly

ginwilly

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Doer said:
This all just sounds like politics and trial balloons to me.

IOW, truth is not present.
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I suspect you are right sir. I think at this point we should have "it's probably not true" as a default position until we find out otherwise.
 
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ChesusRice

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beenthere said:
You hit the nail on the head.
If there are dispensaries or growers that are not in compliance with the state laws, it should be up to the state authorities to enforce them.

Anyone who gives the federal government a pass on this issue, is choosing politics over the legalization of pot.
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Go read about the raids. The local cops are there as well
 
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