New York juror form includes negro

[AlGore]

Can you provide authoritative reference for that opinion?

The UNCF disagrees with you.

What's the problem? That I said outdated or southern or both? How many educated white people still say "Negro"(long e)?

Also, go to south America some time, that is what they call black people, negro(short e).

 

[desert dude]

Can you provide authoritative reference for that opinion?

Bear, the post is by Al Gore. The reference is settled.

 

[schuylaar]

The UNCF disagrees with you.

you mean the slur is NOT outdated?

 

[cannabineer]

First off fuk you.. "why do negros feel the need to searate themselves".. Not all black people signed some petition to be called African Americans. FYI black people don't often have the luxury of tracing their ancestry back to a particular country. I actually have some Irish in me, but you're making us look like some ignorant potato eating pricks. Keep your ignorant ass thoughts to yourself.

I know racerboy, and that isn't what he's doing. Relax.

 

[AlGore]

Bear, the post is by Al Gore. The reference is settled.

Let me google that for you...

"Negro" superseded "colored" as the most polite terminology, at a time when "black" was more offensive.[SUP][3][/SUP] This usage was accepted as normal, even by people classified as Negroes, until the later Civil Rights movement in the late 1960s. One well-known example is the identification by Martin Luther King, Jr. of his own race as 'Negro' in his famous 1963 speech I Have a Dream.
During the American Civil Rights movement of the 1950s and 1960s, some black American leaders in the United States, notably Malcolm X, objected to the word "Negro" because they associated the word Negro with the long history of slavery, segregation, and discrimination that treated African Americans as second class citizens, or worse.[SUP][4][/SUP] (Malcolm X preferred "Black" to "Negro", but also started using the term "Afro-American" after leaving the Nation of Islam.)[SUP][5][/SUP]

 

[racerboy71]

First off fuk you.. "why do negros feel the need to searate themselves".. Not all black people signed some petition to be called African Americans. FYI black people don't often have the luxury of tracing their ancestry back to a particular country. I actually have some Irish in me, but you're making us look like some ignorant potato eating pricks. Keep your ignorant ass thoughts to yourself.

Jesus take a chll pill why don't you?
Sorry if the term afro american rubs me the wrong way, I see nothing anyone says rubs you the wrong way, jesh..

 

[cannabineer]

What's the problem? That I said outdated or southern or both? How many educated white people still say "Negro"(long e)?

Also, go to south America some time, that is what they call black people, negro(short e).

Point taken; i say Black.

you mean the slur is NOT outdated?

My interest is ... sociological, I guess. When I was a youngster it was the official, polite, non-derogatory go-to term.
What I am wondering is when it was adjudicated a slur, how and all that.
The line between offend and harm is indistinct, and I am somewhat averse to taking a reflexively cautious position on the placement of that line. I would be mortified to harm someone, but offend? Making offending somebody a crime on the scale of harm stinks of just the sort of PC pusillanimity that I despise. There is no bottom to that sort of appeasement.
I am willing to accept that is isn't a polite term, but I would like to see something more authoritative than hurt feelings to consider it an outright slur. Hurt feelings are so easily manufactured, especially when bringing offense has become a casus belli.

I am bound to be lambasted by those whom I've offended with this line of thought. Bring it.

 

[cannabineer]

Let me google that for you...

"Negro" superseded "colored" as the most polite terminology, at a time when "black" was more offensive.[SUP][3][/SUP] This usage was accepted as normal, even by people classified as Negroes, until the later Civil Rights movement in the late 1960s. One well-known example is the identification by Martin Luther King, Jr. of his own race as 'Negro' in his famous 1963 speech I Have a Dream.
During the American Civil Rights movement of the 1950s and 1960s, some black American leaders in the United States, notably Malcolm X, objected to the word "Negro" because they associated the word Negro with the long history of slavery, segregation, and discrimination that treated African Americans as second class citizens, or worse.[SUP][4][/SUP] (Malcolm X preferred "Black" to "Negro", but also started using the term "Afro-American" after leaving the Nation of Islam.)[SUP][5][/SUP]

I suggest you provide the citation. The Internet is full of highly-polished cant. Let us judge the quality of the source ourselves.

 

[desert dude]

New York (CNN) -- "Yes, I identify as black or African-American, but I am not a Negro," said a 25-year-old teacher from New York City.
On Monday, when Raeana Roberson took the day off from work to report for jury selection, she was not prepared for what she called an offensive and disgusting experience.
The juror information card all prospective jurors have to fill out included a race category that included, "Black, African-American, or Negro."

http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/11/us/new-york-juror-form-negro/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

It sounds to me like this prospective juror is a whiny little bitch. The form gave her the choice to identify as negro, or as one (or both) of the other two terms she prefers. Life it too short to accommodate the censorship that the PC left demands.

 

[ginwilly]

What's the problem? That I said outdated or southern or both? How many educated white people still say "Negro"(long e)?

Also, go to south America some time, that is what they call black people, negro(short e).

My issue was your claim that it was started as a racist southern thing. It was just a common term used by all. I think it lived on past it's acceptable usage by the racist south, but it was not originally considered offensive.

 

[racerboy71]

Point taken; i say Black.



My interest is ... sociological, I guess. When I was a youngster it was the official, polite, non-derogatory go-to term.
What I am wondering is when it was adjudicated a slur, how and all that.
The line between offend and harm is indistinct, and I am somewhat averse to taking a reflexively cautious position on the placement of that line. I would be mortified to harm someone, but offend? Making offending somebody a crime on the scale of harm stinks of just the sort of PC pusillanimity that I despise. There is no bottom to that sort of appeasement.
I am willing to accept that is isn't a polite term, but I would like to see something more authoritative than hurt feelings to consider it an outright slur. Hurt feelings are so easily manufactured, especially when bringing offense has become a casus belli.

I am bound to be lambasted by those whom I've offended with this line of thought. Bring it.

See cannabineer, this is exactly how I felt about the duck dynasty fiasco..
OK, so maybe dude offended gay people by saying being gay was a sin.. since when is it a crime to be offensive in this country? Comedians would surely be out of work if this were the case, no?
Do I think that being gay is a sin? Of course not as sin is a made up Christian word that has no part in my life, but i don't see the harm in someone being offended..or having their feelings hurt ..


And for the record before anyone might be offended I also don't think being gay is wrong, or.sick nor do I think they have some mental problem that makes them gay ..
Just wanted to make that clear..

 

[ginwilly]

you mean the slur is NOT outdated?

Of course that's not what I mean, hopefully you know better than that.

My point was that the United Negro College Fund was most likely not started by a bunch of racist southerners.

 

[racerboy71]

Of course that's not what I mean, hopefully you know better than that.

My point was that the United Negro College Fund was most likely not started by a bunch of racist southerners.

Lol, I always thought negro was the non offensive word of the era, surely there were words at the time that were meant to be offensive, and I'd have sworn negro wasn't that term..

 

[ginwilly]

Lol, I always thought negro was the non offensive word of the era, surely there were words at the time that were meant to be offensive, and I'd have sworn negro wasn't that term..

Political correctness is a moving target. I can't keep up so I choose to not participate.

The other day Buck tried to prove a point how PC is so much better otherwise we'd have abortion questions like "are you for or against killing innocent unborn babies". I don't know why framing it like that is any different than framing it are you for or against abortion. They both mean the same and my answer is the same, it's dependent on the situation but not my call either way you ask it.

I do try to avoid offending people in my real life though, and since negro is now offensive I would never use it. Like you, the term African-American is offensive to me, but not enough to start a campaign. I believe in a polite society, but at some point, geez.....

 

[spandy]

if two white skin folk, born in africa move to america and have kids here, would you call their kids african americans?

 

[cannabineer]

Political correctness is a moving target. I can't keep up so I choose to not participate.

The other day Buck tried to prove a point how PC is so much better otherwise we'd have abortion questions like "are you for or against killing innocent unborn babies". I don't know why framing it like that is any different than framing it are you for or against abortion. They both mean the same and my answer is the same, it's dependent on the situation but not my call either way you ask it.

I do try to avoid offending people in my real life though, and since negro is now offensive I would never use it. Like you, the term African-American is offensive to me, but not enough to start a campaign. I believe in a polite society, but at some point, geez.....

To the colorized, I disagree.
Firstly, "unborn babies" is an oxymoron.
Secondly, "innocent babies" is a blatant emotional loading of the question.
So i do not think they are the same question at all, unless the respondent has existing moral issues with abortion.
Mind you, I am not criticizing the having of moral issues, but I don't think the value judgment should so slyly be positioned as universal or default. Jmo.

 

[cannabineer]

if two white skin folk, born in africa move to america and have kids here, would you call their kids african americans?

Yes, but not African-Americans.

I'll see your literalism and raise you some more literalism!

 

[ginwilly]

To the colorized, I disagree.
Firstly, "unborn babies" is an oxymoron.
Secondly, "innocent babies" is a blatant emotional loading of the question.
So i do not think they are the same question at all, unless the respondent has existing moral issues with abortion.
Mind you, I am not criticizing the having of moral issues, but I don't think the value judgment should so slyly be positioned as universal or default. Jmo.

point taken.

Buck, forgive me please.

 

[racerboy71]

To the colorized, I disagree.
Firstly, "unborn babies" is an oxymoron.
Secondly, "innocent babies" is a blatant emotional loading of the question.
So i do not think they are the same question at all, unless the respondent has existing moral issues with abortion.
Mind you, I am not criticizing the having of moral issues, but I don't think the value judgment should so slyly be positioned as universal or default. Jmo.

Once again I agree that subbing the word unborn baby for fetus was done in an attempt to provoke an emotional response..
Asking if your pro abortion or pro murdering innocent babies are two very different questions imvho as a fetus IMO isn't considered a baby until it's able to function on its own outside of the womb..

 

[ChesusRice]

Maybe the term Negro is offensive becuase during the slave days
No one owned a African American or a black person

They owned Negros