Why spend $$$ on a flowering lamp if you have a $ veg lamp?

Old Thcool

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Again, I think we are talking at cross purposes.

If you have the luxury of the sun and as much intense light as you have access to acreage, then yes - veg as large as you like.

When you are limited by space and lighting indoors, you are also limited to optimum veg size. You cannot veg a 10' plant in a 6' room - agreed?

What do you think happens to that plant when it starts to stretch indoors under a flowering light? You need to think like an indoor grower to understand what I am saying.

I have been smoking since the early 80s. The difference, I think, is that I've also been growing since then - the past almost 20 years indoors. I'm not starting a pissing match - I simply know of what I speak from a lot of experience.
I’m not disputing what you are saying, I simply said it would be money well spent to buy a fixture that can do all things. From there we derailed. I do grow edibles indoors such as peppers and tomato/ table greens. I’m no stranger to crops indoors. I just can’t grow stink weed in my house. Despite the claims of carbon filter manufacturers, my wife nose is like a hound dog she would shit her pants if our house smelled like weed, so I’m forced to flower in greenhouse.
 

curious2garden

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Why? With all due respect, you sound like you don't have a lot of experience growing indoors, or you would know that nearly all commercial and serious hobby growers have separate cloning, vegging and flowering areas with light sources to suit. Your advice is only pertinent to people who have limited space or who grow full cycle instead of perpetual cycle.

As I said, I wasn't trying to be rude, but one minute you were saying that according to churchhaze's logic you would be better off spending the money on a veg light, and the next you were telling us you were finishing your plants outdoors
It was a non-sequitur. You don't need to spend money on a flowering light, because you don't use one.

^ This is why I had no answer to your question.
He just ordered seeds for his first indoor grow from here: http://www.oceangrownseeds.com/ as he stated in his post there on 12/18/2018.
 

Old Thcool

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Also if you are looking for complete transparency, I have never used fertilizer on any weed I’ve grown - ever! All has been grown in soil with real live inputs. So this will be the first weed I’ve grown using commercial inputs. It is not the first weed I’ve helped grow with lights and chemicals. I have many friends in my area that grow weed.
 

curious2garden

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That’s correct, in the past I only grew weed outdoors. All Sativa. I also grew weed from buddies crops around here but I tired of skunk pot.
That last time I bought seeds was 20 years ago ish? From Mark Emery. Again grown outdoor.
Also if you are looking for complete transparency, I have never used fertilizer on any weed I’ve grown - ever! All has been grown in soil with real live inputs. So this will be the first weed I’ve grown using commercial inputs. It is not the first weed I’ve helped grow with lights and chemicals. I have many friends in my area that grow weed.
In addition to what I just wrote, I could not afford to risk prosecution with my family and business, it forced me to grow outdoors- in the hills. It’s harder than an indoor show, you don’t have deer in your basement!
Calm down, growing indoors with the new hybrid genetics is a world of difference from outdoors with brick weed seed. Instead of going on about what you believe pop those seeds and find out if your theories survive hitting water.

Every grow teaches you something if you are open and listen to your plants and there is always something new to learn. I can guarantee your plants will hand you all your assumptions on a platter! They don't care about anyone's feelings or experience they simply want their needs met.
 

cannabineer

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Also if you are looking for complete transparency, I have never used fertilizer on any weed I’ve grown - ever! All has been grown in soil with real live inputs. So this will be the first weed I’ve grown using commercial inputs. It is not the first weed I’ve helped grow with lights and chemicals. I have many friends in my area that grow weed.
You will need a different attitude when growing indoors. Chemicals are now your friends. The skill (which comes from experience) is knowing which chemicals to use at which time, and which chemicals to avoid. Being proud of never having fertilized, ever, will work solidly against you indoors.
"Commercial inputs" also sounds disparaging. At day's end, the plants are the judge(s) of if you're doing it right.
 

Old Thcool

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Calm down, growing indoors with the new hybrid genetics is a world of difference from outdoors with brick weed seed. Instead of going on about what you believe pop those seeds and find out if your theories survive hitting water.

Every grow teaches you something if you are open and listen to your plants and there is always something new to learn. I can guarantee your plants will hand you all your assumptions on a platter! They don't care about anyone's feelings or experience they simply want their needs met.
I am calm, I fully anticipate some challenges. I already have some. I have to make up 3 separate batches of solution for my vegetables because the all have very different needs. I’ve had nute burn and other small issues many times trying to figure out what works. I even have two types of tomatoes Russian and early girl that don’t like each other’s food! I fully expect weed to be the same.
 

curious2garden

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I am calm, I fully anticipate some challenges. I already have some. I have to make up 3 separate batches of solution for my vegetables because the all have very different needs. I’ve had nute burn and other small issues many times trying to figure out what works. I even have two types of tomatoes Russian and early girl that don’t like each other’s food! I fully expect weed to be the same.
You demonstrate your calmness by your multiple replies. Just as your assumptions and expectations will provide you with the challenges you seek. Having an open mind assists in finding a lower energy solution vs acting like an expert about something you have not yet done.
 

Old Thcool

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I have had the pleasure of using sun for many years, it’s only failed me twice. Deer are a major issue here because the farmers killed the wolves and cougars. We need 8 foot driving range netting to keep them out.
I am still wrestling with DWC over coco? Not sure which is better? I like DWC as it seems lower maintenance? But I’ve seen great results with coco- aaand I don’t think DWC would transplant well if at all into raised bed? The only thing DWC may be good for is a mother plant ? Perhaps Y’all can shed some light on that?
 

Old Thcool

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You demonstrate your calmness by your multiple replies. Just as your assumptions and expectations will provide you with the challenges you seek. Having an open mind assists in finding a lower energy solution vs acting like an expert about something you have not yet done.
I am using others results and research to come to my conclusions with regard to lighting and efficiency. I personally don’t care how others spend their money. I’m happy with the light I recently bought it’s far better than what I had. But I think in the future I could save money and improve on light quality by building my own.
 

Old Thcool

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You demonstrate your calmness by your multiple replies. Just as your assumptions and expectations will provide you with the challenges you seek. Having an open mind assists in finding a lower energy solution vs acting like an expert about something you have not yet done.
Too much coffee and I’m bored, we are having a snow storm.
 

churchhaze

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Horizontal or vertical light?
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Because if light doesn't reach part of the canopy, it does not develop and eventually dies off.

Try growing some plants, and you will see what I mean. If you veg a plant too big for your flowering light, you have just wasted time and energy. There is an optimal point for any given flowering light intensity over any given footprint for any particular strain for any particular style of grow that will produce a given yield. It is up to you, as the grower, to discover what that optimal point is depending on your system.

That is if you wish to grow efficiently and are not just vegging to fill in time in-between flowering cycles.
To summarize this entire argument, more veg time doesn't increase yields, except for the times it does increase yields.
 

Old Thcool

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To summarize this entire argument, more veg time doesn't increase yields, except for the times it does increase yields.
Maybe if they spent more time researching and less time slamming? I’ve never grown small plants but loads of my friends do, they only get good yields because you can’t walk anywhere in the grow room. They set up watering lines and when a drip emitter gets plugged that plant dies. You can’t get to it!
 

cannabineer

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Maybe if they spent more time researching and less time slamming? I’ve never grown small plants but loads of my friends do, they only get good yields because you can’t walk anywhere in the grow room. They set up watering lines and when a drip emitter gets plugged that plant dies. You can’t get to it!
Protip (learned in grad school):
Researching is not synonymous with forming and then buttressing an opinion. The natural sciences (well, most of them) are extremely efficient excluders of raw assumption. Prepare for data-dictated course changes.
 
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