Trump to Barr: Make Noise!! Barr: Federal Death Penalty!!!

squarepush3r

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Then time gets added to their sentences for refusing an order. If they are lifers, it hurts them the most because when they go to the parole board the write ups show the board members that they aren’t ready for parole due a pattern of negative behavior.
So just to clarify, are you actually advocating for slavery? Or a Soviet style gulag?

Also, the original example given was in place of the death penalty, that the criminals should be subject to life in hard labor. So most of these people will never see parole boards or care about adding on time.
 

Obepawn

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No, you asked a question and I gave you factual information based on the California department of corrections policies. I can’t speak on Federal prisons. The only time life mean natural life if you get life without possibility of parole (LWOP) or you get more years than is physically possible to live out. If you get 25-years to life, after 25-years you go to the board and they review you post conviction behavior and positive programming, such as school, trades, and self help, anger management, victim awareness, parenting classes, AA/NA etc... If your behavior in prison is negative you won’t get out at your parole board. On a positive note though, lifers who get out on parole in California and the recidivism rate for paroled lifers are at about 1%

I personally think you would love a slave state, you and your evil party.
 
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Obepawn

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So just to clarify, are you actually advocating for slavery? Or a Soviet style gulag?

Also, the original example given was in place of the death penalty, that the criminals should be subject to life in hard labor. So most of these people will never see parole boards or care about adding on time.
Do not act or pretend to know anything about the prison system. Just because you were born in a prison doesn’t count.
 

Obepawn

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So just to clarify, are you actually advocating for slavery? Or a Soviet style gulag?

Also, the original example given was in place of the death penalty, that the criminals should be subject to life in hard labor. So most of these people will never see parole boards or care about adding on time.
One more thing, hard labor, doesn’t mean hard labor.
 

hanimmal

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Its a serious question, how do you force someone to work?
At the risk of giving more troll data points to hit me with later, I am actually pretty against fucking with people/anything really as a for of some kind of retribution. We can't have psychos running around, so some kind of prison is what we came up with. The problem is they are just people, and so are the people we put in charge of them. And if we have learned anything throughout human history, it is people are eventually assholes if they have something to be assholes towards. And if they have to dehumanize people to do their job it eventually leads to shitty results at rehabilitating people that go back out into the general public.
 

rkymtnman

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every one of them is a volunteer....California couldn't afford to pay that many real firefighters. Inmate firefighters save California Billions of $$$ each year in labor and fire damage costs.
i have to look up if we do that in CO as far as prison firefighters. i would imagine so but i'm not sure.


i still don't understand why instead of buying a few F15 fighters the gov't doesn't just retrofit about 30 old 747's into firefighting craft. could you imagine a steady fleet of those things all day long against a fire?
 

DaFreak

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I don’t support capital punishment. The offender gets off too easy. Instead not only lock them up but make them work. I’m old enough to remember “Life at hard labor” sentences as well as chain gangs. I also remember corporate America sniveling about “unpaid competition against private businesses”. So now we have weights and handball courts and rec yards where they can shank each other.
Jail where I'm from is still labor. You aren't allowed to talk, do sports or any of that shit. You wake and work. During meals you aren't allowed to talk either.
 

doublejj

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i have to look up if we do that in CO as far as prison firefighters. i would imagine so but i'm not sure.


i still don't understand why instead of buying a few F15 fighters the gov't doesn't just retrofit about 30 old 747's into firefighting craft. could you imagine a steady fleet of those things all day long against a fire?
California has one. I saw this baby in action from my farm 2 years ago...impressive
 

doublejj

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Jail where I'm from is still labor. You aren't allowed to talk, do sports or any of that shit. You wake and work. During meals you aren't allowed to talk either.
Hard way to run a prison. Not much rehabilitation. Tough place to work for the staff.
 

rkymtnman

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California has one. I saw this baby in action from my farm 2 years ago...impressive
we had a DC10 last year at a fire within 10 miles of us. it was fun to watch and even more impressive to listen to the thrust as that thing would do a climb facing away from our house.
 
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