Thc-level thc% what do these terms mean??

When someone claims claims they have bud that was tested at over 20% or when a seed company claims a strain is rated at 20%. Then I have herd of thc levels I am kinda confused what the difference is between thc levels and %.

If a strain like holy grail from a seed company lists 24% thc does that mean the plant will grow with 24% thc or does that number simply imply that you could grow a plant and get up to 24% thc???

What is influenced by the grower??? If a plant like I said lists 24% thc then does that mean every bud will contain 24% thc?? I have seen something rated at level 5 but what does that mean as opposed to a level 2.

It's all just a bunch of avertising mumbo-jumbo. A plant's potency is, pretty much, determined by the genetics. So if a particular plant strain is said to be "20%", any productive buds from that plant should be somewhere in that ballpark. But then again; advertisers love to exagerate - so you can beleive whatever you like! How an individual grows a plant effects the yield much more than the potency.

Level 2 or level 5 is another story (probably more dependable). I am guessing #2 is weaker and #5 is stronger. These just describe a relative potency level:
#1 = Really weak.
#2 = Sort of Weak.
#3 = A Little Better.
#4 = Almost OK.
#5 = Medium Strength.
#6 = Not Bad At All.
#7 = Good Stuff.
#8 = Really Good Stuff.
#9 = Something to Brag About.
#10. = Fire!
These sort of levels might be on a scale of 1-5 or 1-10, or whatevever.

20% THC means of the total cannabinoids tested, there is a concentration of 20% THC and 80% of various others.

In reality, these numbers vary greatly from one plant or bud to another, even within the same strain.

This is why dry herb (bud) can't be effectively dosed and one of the more legit reasons some law makers oppose medical cannabis. They can't really dose the chemicals properly unless they extract them.

Heres my thing im doing a cheese strain and ive seen claims of only 16% thc. Is it possible to get the buds up to 20% by doing everything right or will 16% be all anyone will ever get out of a cheese plant???

Also like you said Th if one refers to shitty weed and say number 10 means the best ever I am still confused. Is that rating system used to describe how strong that individual plant was compared to say another growers who did the same strain ????

If a cheese plant has a level rating of 2 and another growers was rated at 8 do those numbers mostly mean that one growers plant was stronger then the other???

So with that being said is it possible to exceed the strains rating of 16% thc and get it to say 25% .

Could a person grow say big buddah and get it as strong as a holy grail kush plant if they did everything right or does the genetics just not allow this.

That's what im confused about sometimes you could get a bud of say trainwreck from one person and it could get you buzzed like some outdoor greenbud but you could get a bud of trainwreck from another person and one bowl could feel like you did a dab.

Which brings me to the point of if you planted a mexi brick seed and gave it a bunch of fancy stuff and love could it become as strong as a fancy name like big bud or is that just not possible based on genetics or something else???

Here's what I have never understood... When you quote a %, even if lab tested, what is denominator? Logically it is bud weight, but at what moisture level, how well trimmed, etc. Seems like small variable like moisture level could have a huge impact on the net % THC.

Just like people quoting yields. My grow is 100% personal. So I don't care about having massive buds to show off. When I manicure, I remove almost all the stem. So with same true yield as someone who doesn't, my weight would be much less because of all the stem removed....

Again, the denominator is total cannabinoids.

So a certain strain can have only a certain amount of total cannbinoids based on the genetics or whatever . I am just trying to understand if you could grow a plant like a kush and have it beat the strongest tested plant in the world on potency some how

Breeders grow out hundreds of plants and pick the best to show off their breeding skills. A plant that tests for 16% 20%,24% is just the best of the best that they picked to use as an example, same goes for yield quantity. IF your environment is right, IF you feed it right, and the big one IF you get the correct phenotype in the plant your growing you should get close to the advertised results. You may have to grow out 5,10,20 plants of the same strain before you find the one that matches the breeders exact description not every plant will reach those numbers. This is one reason you see many people bad mouthing certain seeds, they saw 24% thc and 600G's per sq meter and automatically expect it to yield that, and when they don't they think they got screwed. Good breeders will usually talk about the different pheno's that you could possibly get if the strain hasn't been fully stabilized, and even then you can still get different pheno expressions, if growing from seed.

deadgro, not arguing and sorry to OP for the diversion. I have just been googling and can't find the answer on the THC% equation from the testing services. If you are correct and when we see THC% the denominator is total cannabinoids, then the number really is just showing how predominant THC is among all the good stuff, but not how potent the bud is overall in cannabinoids. In other words, you could have some crappy weed, but of what cannabinoids there are, they are mostly THC. That would be a high THC% but mean nothing.

With extracts, it seems like everyone is shooting for a yield (in weight) that closely matches the THC% x the wt of the raw material. So you can see where my logic came from, though I am just now thinking about how if that is true, then where did the rest of the good stuff go?

While I grow only for personal and never measure yields, I am a quant freak so this is really interesting to me.

deadgro said:

Again, the denominator is total cannabinoids.

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No. It's from the dry weight of a bud (which weight very little if actually dry... opposed to trichs) regardless of how hard that seems to believe for some, yet how obvious it is for those who made and tested oil.

It's also why the better test labs include moisture %, which obviously isn't the water % of the total cannabinoids but the entire bud.

"Moisture Analysis ( %H2O ) - This is the weight of the water relative to the total weight of the sample. Laboratory samples are reported in both dry and wet weight. The %H2O of properly cured medicinal cannabis should be between 6-9%. Moisture Analysis needs 24 hours to complete and is required for Potency Profiling."

" the cannabinoid potency profile gives you the concentration of cannabinoids expressed in percentage of weight per weight (% wt/wt). This is the weight of the cannabinoid divided by the total plant weight."

Or just call any test lab.

A bud with 20% thc level (level is expressed in %, same thing) is a bud with 20% thc and not a bud with 30% cannabinoids of which 20% is THC.

And from a different angle: THC is the most prominent cannabinoid in cannabis except for high CBD strains.

Typically, 70-80% of oil is THC and of the total cannabinoids it's even higher, as is obvious when you test concentrates. For example:


The 8-25% or whatever THC % listed for strains, is of a sample of dry bud. And yes, that's usually a very frosty piece of bud. The better tests take 5 or so samples and give an average.

FYI, I've also read, but have no actual proof of the fact, that to get THC% some people will grow out a plant or plants, harvest and dry it, weigh it then screen/kief the bud, then reweigh it . So, for example, if you grew a LB( appx 450g's), and got 45g's of kief, it would be a 10% strain. It's a highly inaccurate way of doing it, but it gives a # to put on the packaging

If the above doesn't make it obvious enough. Blast 100gram bud to oil, a good run will give you very roughly 25% oil, which if you were to test it contains roughly two-third of THC, which comes down to roughly 17%THC (of the bud...). Ymmv...

"420newbieg, post: 11328490, member: 64946"]Heres my thing im doing a cheese strain and ive seen claims of only 16% thc. Is it possible to get the buds up to 20% by doing everything right or will 16% be all anyone will ever get out of a cheese plant???
The breeder chooses "the best of the best" of what he's got (to have tested), so you probably wouldn't be able to improve on that.

Also like you said Th if one refers to shitty weed and say number 10 means the best ever I am still confused. Is that rating system used to describe how strong that individual plant was compared to say another growers who did the same strain ????
"Growers" don't advertise thier strains this way - Breeders and Seed Sellers do. The "Potency" is in the genetics, so yea, a #8 rating should refer to all plants of a particular strain from a particular breeder.

If a cheese plant has a level rating of 2 and another growers was rated at 8 do those numbers mostly mean that one growers plant was stronger then the other???
Again, "Growers" don't present thier plants this way. If one breeder advertises his Cheese as a #2 and another breeder advertises his Cheese as a #8; that is just too big of a difference to accept. Something is wrong there, or they are talking about two, completely different, things.

So with that being said is it possible to exceed the strains rating of 16% thc and get it to say 25% .
Probably not! At least not without some seriouse selective breeing, or, at least, cross breeding.

Could a person grow say big buddah and get it as strong as a holy grail kush plant if they did everything right or does the genetics just not allow this.
"Doing everything right" just allows the plant to live up to it's potential. The breeder has already chosen the seeds from his "Best" phenotype to pass on (hopefully, once the phenotype is "Standardized"). The "genetics" provide about the best "potential" you can hope to grow. Think about it - if was really that easy, you would be seeing, credible, THC numbers at 50 or 75% (but you don't). The best strains top out at somwhere around 20-something%, that is what the strains' potential allows - and that's all you can get!

That's what im confused about sometimes you could get a bud of say trainwreck from one person and it could get you buzzed like some outdoor greenbud but you could get a bud of trainwreck from another person and one bowl could feel like you did a dab.
What can I tell you? Some breeders and seed sellers aren't that consistant (or honest, for that matter). Growers and dealers are the same (probably even less honest about what they're selling you).

Which brings me to the point of if you planted a mexi brick seed and gave it a bunch of fancy stuff and love could it become as strong as a fancy name like big bud or is that just not possible based on genetics or something else???
Mexican Brick Bagseed usually produces some pretty surrprising smoke, the genetics aren't really that bad. It's usually the way the bud gets handled and abused in the drying and shipping process that account for it's appearent lack of "potential".

420newbieg said:

When someone claims claims they have bud that was tested at over 20% or when a seed company claims a strain is rated at 20%. Then I have herd of thc levels I am kinda confused what the difference is between thc levels and %.

If a strain like holy grail from a seed company lists 24% thc does that mean the plant will grow with 24% thc or does that number simply imply that you could grow a plant and get up to 24% thc???

What is influenced by the grower??? If a plant like I said lists 24% thc then does that mean every bud will contain 24% thc?? I have seen something rated at level 5 but what does that mean as opposed to a level 2.

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Level 5 will always be better than level 2, that's just science. THC stands for a secret meaning that nobody knows so don't worry about that.

The testing is actual a way to keep track of who is growing in the area. All of the testing labs are fronts for police detectives and they are monitoring you. The seed companies are in on it too and have been for years. The % numbers relate to how much mind control drug is in the seed. The higher the number the more you are being controlled. Hope that helps.

CC Dobbs said:

THC stands for a secret meaning that nobody knows so don't worry about that.
What are you talking about? THC stands for (Delta-9) Tetra Hydro Cannabinol. It is the primary psychoactive ingredient (cannabinoid) in cannabis

The testing is actual a way to keep track of who is growing in the area. All of the testing labs are fronts for police detectives and they are monitoring you. The seed companies are in on it too and have been for years.
A little paranoid, are we?

The % numbers relate to how much mind control drug is in the seed. The higher the number the more you are being controlled. Hope that helps.

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Time to get fitted for a Tinfoil hat!

Some people might actually believe the crap you write on here, so please make it clear when you are trying to make a funny.

T.H.Cammo said:

Time to get fitted for a Tinfoil hat!

Some people might actually believe the crap you write on here, so please make it clear when you are trying to make a funny.

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If people believe what I wrote is true then they have much, much deeper problems than me.

Don't try to sanitize the world for the idiots because you will fail and people won't like you.

T.H.Cammo said:

Some people might actually believe the crap you write on here, so please make it clear when you are trying to make a funny.

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The whole joke is that that goes for (too) many serious meant posts and threads too.