taking vicodin vs smoking tree? help me please...

Whats the difference between taking addicting opioid drugs while at work

Or smoking marijuana after work.

From a personal standpoint please...

im doing a reserch paper for a debate class and could use some extra ideas..

:edit: I do understand under michigan law pot is still considered
To have no legitimate medicinal value and is highly addictive, therefor being placed in schedule I. While opiods, most of them are considered less addicting and less dangerous so are schedule II and have much more meaning in the medical field, while being highly regulated and controlled too.

Well the time frame of consuming is irrelevant in your debate. Drugs have an affect, regardless of how they are consumed. The human body is an amazing organism, but different genetics respond differently. I can personally say that I do not enjoy the euphoric, hard to concentrate feeling I have with pills and opiates. Yet I can smoke and be directly on task and concentrate. But I also have one of those brains that never shuts off, so by smoking, it allows me to overlook the 'noise' in my head and concentrate on one task.

Pills are way more addictive than pot can ever be. Cannabinoids are produced in your body naturally while synthetic drugs mimic receptors to give you that effect (affect? fudge) I can count on my 2 hands how many times i've swallowed a pill since birth aside from a work out supplement. Never been sick enough to see the doctor, while pills will keep you coming back for more.

A little off topic but my gf takes birth control for the preventative aspect of course, but she also likes them for her migraines. She refuses to try pot and looks at me like i'm the druggie. Addiction is more than the physical nature of it.

The biggest difference aside from the nature of the drug is that someone is telling you that you can/can't have it.

The scheduling system for narcotics is pointless.

There's not a whole lot of difference between medibles and lower dose opiates. Opiates make you constipated and cloud your thinking while pot makes you creative.

Cannabis can provide a lot more than pain relief according to pubmed:

Cannabinoids, the active components of the cannabis plant, have some clinical merit both as an anti-emetic and appetite stimulant in cachexic patients. Recently, interest in developing cannabinoids as therapies has increased following reports that they possess anti-tumour properties.

Impressive anti-cancer activities have been reported; actions that are mediated in large part by disruptions to ubiquitous signalling pathways such as ERK and PI3-K. However, recent developments have highlighted a putative role for cannabinoids as anti-inflammatory agents. Chronic inflammation has been associated with neoplasia for sometime, and as a consequence, reducing inflammation as a way of impacting cancer presents a new role for these compounds.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20925645

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Experimental evidence accumulated during the last decade supports that cannabinoids, the active components of Cannabis sativa and their derivatives, possess anticancer activity. Thus, these compounds exert anti-proliferative, pro-apoptotic, anti-migratory and anti-invasive actions in a wide spectrum of cancer cells in culture. Moreover, tumor growth, angiogenesis and metastasis are hampered by cannabinoids in xenograft-based and genetically-engineered mouse models of cancer. This review summarizes our current knowledge on the anti-tumor potential of cannabinoids in breast cancer, which suggests that cannabinoid-based medicines may be useful for the treatment of most breast tumor subtypes.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22776349

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In the last 15 years there has been a major shift in the laws governing medical use of cannabis in the United States. Corresponding with this change there has been escalating interest in the role that cannabis, commonly referred to as marijuana, and cannabinoids play in the care of patients with cancer. This review will examine cannabis' and cannabinoids' current and potential roles in cancer care.

Specifically, we will examine five areas of cannabis medicine: (1) pharmacologic properties of cannabis; (2) its potential role in the development of human cancers, particularly smoking-related malignancies; (3) cannabinoids' potential as anti-cancer therapies; (4) cannabis and cannabinoids in the palliation of common cancer-associated symptoms; (5) current legal status of cannabis for medical purposes in the United States.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22019199

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At present there are few other effective drugs. In cases of lacking effect after pharmacotherapy, surgical options may be considered. Currently there is growing amount of evidence to suggest that the psychoactive ingredient in cannabis and individual cannabinoids may be effective in alleviating neuropathic pain and hyperalgesia. Evidence suggests that cannabinoids may prove useful in pain modulation by inhibiting neuronal transmission in pain pathways. Considering the pronounced antinociceptive effects produced by cannabinoids, they may be a promising therapeutic approach for the clinical management of trigeminal neuralgia.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15578967

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I switched to percocet from vicodin and I usually feel better eating a strong edible infused with pot, or smoking hash. Neither can eliminate the pain but provide similar relief.

Valron said:

Whats the difference between taking addicting opioid drugs while at work

Or smoking marijuana after work.

From a personal standpoint please...

im doing a reserch paper for a debate class and could use some extra ideas..

:edit: I do understand under michigan law pot is still considered
To have no legitimate medicinal value and is highly addictive, therefor being placed in schedule I. While opiods, most of them are considered less addicting and less dangerous so are schedule II and have much more meaning in the medical field, while being highly regulated and controlled too.

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Vidodin destroys lives and livers. Marijuana does not.

Have you ever seen somebody come off of vicoden after years of use? It's a very ugly ugly thing to witness. Someone who quits smoking pot after years might not sleep as well as they use to....huge fucking difference.

Maybe you should do a paper on the crazy way that they've classified drugs. List not only the proven effects and side effects of the drugs, but the actual harm caused by addiction, physical damage, rehabs etc.
Notice I said the actual effects and not the hyped up BULLSHIT the gov. is feeding everyone. Just a thought.

I have successfully got four people off norcos, the lil yellow 10/325's with my medibles.

Which is the most abused drug in country, and the mds hookppl on it...I had spinal fusion n never took one, sold em all.....enoughTo hook 4 people probably ....

The drug companies make way too much money by getting people strung out on scripts to ever tell the truth about them or cannabis.

Do you guys think the gov really introduced crack to the black communities?

A lot of people like to make the argument that pot is so dangerous because it is psychoactive. But so are most opiates, benzodiazapiene's, ssri's, cocaine alcohol caffeine and even tobacco. All of witch are legal and shit you don't even need to be any specific age to consume caffeine I see people giving that shit to there 4 year old! It all boil's down to individual freedom and choices and the freedom to make those choices. I believe He/she who wishes to consume any substance for what ever reason has the absolute right to do so as long as those persons actions do not infringe upon the rights of others.

"Whats the difference between taking addicting opioid drugs while at work Or smoking marijuana after work?"

You're asking a question about the difference in taking two completely different drugs under two completely different circumstances?

Other than the fact they are both drugs, the answer to your question is everything.

Apples and oranges. Do your homework. Nobody on here has the time to put the whole story down here.

I've just began using .16 RSO caps in lieu of longtime Narco use just last month complements of HomeLessBeans. I haven't filled a Narco script in a month now

Source ** some guys I chat with in a marijuana growing forum said so..

Haha, teacher should take that, right?

TheMan13 said:

I've just began using .16 RSO caps in lieu of longtime Narco use just last month complements of HomeLessBeans. I haven't filled a Narco script in a month now

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wow HomelessBean sure does help a lot of us he has helped me quite a bit imho

jonnynobody said:

Vidodin destroys lives and livers. Marijuana does not.

Have you ever seen somebody come off of vicoden after years of use? It's a very ugly ugly thing to witness. Someone who quits smoking pot after years might not sleep as well as they use to....huge fucking difference.

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i stopped a 3 yr (90/mo 750mg) vicoden habit. let me tell you this, IT F CKIN SUCKED!!!!!! utter hell. i had 2 knee surgeries (same knee, same issue), after 2nd surgery the freakin doc severed the nerve that runs across/under the knee cap. now i have permanent nerve damage. i refuse to take another vicoden unless the pain cant be managed by MMJ. even thos i was addicted to vicoden, i still have a bottle of 50 in my cabinet, and its hard not to just take one. i resist as i know that vicodens are the devil.

i also have a rare form of R/A that is very very debilitating, and the pain is excrutiating if i dont seek med help ASAP. ive passed kidney stones, those are a cake walk compared to the pain i experience wiht my flare ups. the only pain med ive found (well the ER docs) is fentynal, which doesnt help with the pain it only knocks me out. i hate pain pills/meds!!!!!!! my r/a effects the major joints and causes them to fill up with synovial fluid and seperate causeing MAJOR pain. ive had both shoulders, both knees, both hips drained. fun times for sure. and is heredity, another reason ill NEVER have kids. i dont want to pass down this gene.

i used to work all high as shit on vicodens. my quality of work was crappy. once i got off of them, the quality went back up.

Stopped 22 years of legal opiate usage... have been on everything during this time from vics to fentanly patches.. last 5 years was on morphine 3x90mg + soma
It would be easier to list the parts of my body that dont hurt over those that do... only 42 years here and had to stop working 2 years ago
I will never go back to the opiates...


FWIW demontric toss the pills out.. just knowing I had them in my house made me search for them 4 mo's after I stopped using them...

i would toss them out. but i dont know im having a flareup untill about 6 hrs into one. when i take a vicoden and it does nothing for the pain, thats my cue im having a flareup. if the vicoden works for the pain, then its just some regular pain and not a flareup. this is the only way i can tell if im having a flareup and need to seek immediate medical attention to get a depomedrol shot and corticosteroid pills. regular store bought pain meds, aleeve, tylenol dont work for shit. not even for a headache. so for headaches, i try to medicate with some green dragon tincture i reduced to an oil. works great.