Surprise! Oliver North was too corrupt for the corrupt NRA (or is it the other way around?)

too larry

too larry

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Fogdog said:
I'm not knocking hunting or hunters. I don't knock farmers or ranchers from owning rifles too. But it would be a lie to say that you are safer with a gun than without one.

I do have great disdain for the gun owning community because they have taken zero ownership for reducing gun homicides and accidents with guns. The only ownership they have taken is to interfere and obstruct efforts to reduce gun violence They even joke about killing people, like you just did. Gun owning community makes me and mine less safe. I'm not the one who created the problem but I'm part of the coalition that will do something about it. So, yeah, in this one issue, I look down on you.
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I'm a collector myself. I have way more guns than good sense would dictate. But since I've got into hiking, I have stopped buying myself one for every birthday. Even sold a few here and there. {I do not think of my collection as a means of defending myself. Shooting anyone for any reason would be the last resort for me}

The gun owning community is not a monolith. Here in the NW Florida sticks, most folks over 25 will have at least one gun in the house. Many like me will have at least a dozen. It's pretty rare for anyone to get shot here. There was a deer hunting accident 2-3 years ago where a kid in a truck was shot by his brother with buck fever.

I would say suburbanites are the fastest growing group of gun owners. My south Florida suburban female cousin carries all the time. She was not raised with guns, and it makes me uncomfortable to be around her. Most of the crazy preppers on YT live in the 'burbs. They stock up because they are scared of the next group of gun owners.

Lots of urban gun owners. All those shootings in Chicago is an example of urban gun ownership. This group is also not as well versed in safety. When gun ownership is against the law, no one is taking safety classes.

I think it is the gun lobby you are mad at. The NRA represents the gun makers, not the gun owners. {most NRA members don't realize this fact though}
 
Fogdog

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too larry said:
I'm a collector myself. I have way more guns than good sense would dictate. But since I've got into hiking, I have stopped buying myself one for every birthday. Even sold a few here and there. {I do not think of my collection as a means of defending myself. Shooting anyone for any reason would be the last resort for me}

The gun owning community is not a monolith. Here in the NW Florida sticks, most folks over 25 will have at least one gun in the house. Many like me will have at least a dozen. It's pretty rare for anyone to get shot here. There was a deer hunting accident 2-3 years ago where a kid in a truck was shot by his brother with buck fever.

I would say suburbanites are the fastest growing group of gun owners. My south Florida suburban female cousin carries all the time. She was not raised with guns, and it makes me uncomfortable to be around her. Most of the crazy preppers on YT live in the 'burbs. They stock up because they are scared of the next group of gun owners.

Lots of urban gun owners. All those shootings in Chicago is an example of urban gun ownership. This group is also not as well versed in safety. When gun ownership is against the law, no one is taking safety classes.

I think it is the gun lobby you are mad at. The NRA represents the gun makers, not the gun owners. {most NRA members don't realize this fact though}
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Oh, absolutely the gun manufacturing, sales and lobbying groups are the ones that are supplying the weapons and preventing gun control from even being discussed in many states and in Congress. I guess I should stop being angry at gun owners for being so complacent about the problem they have a role in causing.

Just don't complain when non gun owners write the laws. We really don't care about your hobby.
 
too larry

too larry

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Sir Napsalot said:
I was president of an NRA affiliated gun club for 3 years

I met Wayne La Pierre at the NRA national gunshow in Puyallup, WA
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He used to call me all the time. Well, it was really robo calls. When I got a real person, they ask how i felt about the gun laws Obama was trying to pass. I ask if he meant allowing concealed carry in National Parks, as that was the only gun law signed by 44. He hung up on me.
 
hotrodharley

hotrodharley

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Gun possession and use should be like cars and drivers licenses. Including insurance. Military service qualifies for the mandatory training and probationary period learning drivers would be subjected to. I was raised with guns. I was a Marine. I was also a Registered Nurse for 34 years. Mostly ER and OR with some ICU and Pediatrics thrown in. There’s too much unnecessary death and far too many traumatic injuries from guns to sit here and endorse the status quo.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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hotrodharley said:
Gun possession and use should be like cars and drivers licenses. Including insurance. Military service qualifies for the mandatory training and probationary period learning drivers would be subjected to. I was raised with guns. I was a Marine. I was also a Registered Nurse for 34 years. Mostly ER and OR with some ICU and Pediatrics thrown in. There’s too much unnecessary death and far too many traumatic injuries from guns to sit here and endorse the status quo.
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Thanks for this.

For some reason, people are complacent about the rates of injury and death caused by foolish people who own guns and don't store them properly, not to mention the people who should never have been able to obtain one to begin with.
 
blu3bird

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I wish I could have a gun, I only want 1 rifle nothing crazy, just a .22LR to shoot rabbit, squirrel and coyotes. Maybe some occasional fun at a range every now and then.

I liost my gun rights forever when I committed a non violent and victimless felony years and years ago. I got caught growing some weed. I know I'm a terrible person for that and cannot be trusted around firearms for the rest of my life. I'm a very dangerous criminal. I'm the worst kind of person in society.

In all reality, there's nothing stopping me from making a private purchase. There's always posted guns for sale up at the little mom n pop party store by my house. I'm pretty sure the local farmer isn't going to do a background check on me if I wanted to buy his gun for sale. Only thing is though, if I was to get caught with a gun being a convicted drug felon, that is a federal crime. I'm a little bit scared of taking that chance lol.
 
Budley Doright

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Fogdog said:
Thanks for this.

For some reason, people are complacent about the rates of injury and death caused by foolish people who own guns and don't store them properly, not to mention the people who should never have been able to obtain one to begin with.
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Background checks, across the board training and licences, and yes dare I say it, a ban on handguns would probably go along way in cutting down on gun crime rates and accidents. I honestly think it’s going to be an almost impossible task to achieve given the power wielded by the gun lobby. Canada has pretty much what I’ve suggested, with a complete handgun ban being debated now. Toronto is having a buy back program, that pays 200 for long guns and 300 for hand guns. So yes we also get it wrong, it’s nothing but a way to get paid for a gun that’s not worth anything on the open market :(. Criminals won’t be taking part lol.
 
Jimdamick

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too larry said:
I'm a collector myself. I have way more guns than good sense would dictate. But since I've got into hiking, I have stopped buying myself one for every birthday. Even sold a few here and there. {I do not think of my collection as a means of defending myself. Shooting anyone for any reason would be the last resort for me}

The gun owning community is not a monolith. Here in the NW Florida sticks, most folks over 25 will have at least one gun in the house. Many like me will have at least a dozen. It's pretty rare for anyone to get shot here. There was a deer hunting accident 2-3 years ago where a kid in a truck was shot by his brother with buck fever.

I would say suburbanites are the fastest growing group of gun owners. My south Florida suburban female cousin carries all the time. She was not raised with guns, and it makes me uncomfortable to be around her. Most of the crazy preppers on YT live in the 'burbs. They stock up because they are scared of the next group of gun owners.

Lots of urban gun owners. All those shootings in Chicago is an example of urban gun ownership. This group is also not as well versed in safety. When gun ownership is against the law, no one is taking safety classes.

I think it is the gun lobby you are mad at. The NRA represents the gun makers, not the gun owners. {most NRA members don't realize this fact though}
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The 1st place I fired a firearm was in Ireland when I was 12 on a farm in Galway.
They have some of the most restrictive gun ownership rules on the planet, but allowed rifles for farms to control nuisance animals (fox/rats)
We used to shoot bottles and the rats that would hang around the barn, and I became hooked.
I am an avowed Liberal, Progressive Democrat, but I still believe in the right to bear arms, but only in a tightly controlled environment.
Fucking AR's and the like have no place in today's society though.
Ban them from ownership, they only kill people and serve no purpose beyond that.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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Fogdog said:
The trend is that the 65% non gun owners, along with some responsible gun owners, are going to impose their will.
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There are 100 people in a room. 35 are armed and 65 are not.

How will the 65 impose their will, if they do not use guns to do it?
 
londonfog

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blu3bird said:
I wish I could have a gun, I only want 1 rifle nothing crazy, just a .22LR to shoot rabbit, squirrel and coyotes. Maybe some occasional fun at a range every now and then.

I liost my gun rights forever when I committed a non violent and victimless felony years and years ago. I got caught growing some weed. I know I'm a terrible person for that and cannot be trusted around firearms for the rest of my life. I'm a very dangerous criminal. I'm the worst kind of person in society.

In all reality, there's nothing stopping me from making a private purchase. There's always posted guns for sale up at the little mom n pop party store by my house. I'm pretty sure the local farmer isn't going to do a background check on me if I wanted to buy his gun for sale. Only thing is though, if I was to get caught with a gun being a convicted drug felon, that is a federal crime. I'm a little bit scared of taking that chance lol.
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Depending on your state ( Not Cali or Texas) if you have your record expunge you can once again own a gun...depending.
If you are serious about owning a gun I would check your state laws on expungement and gun ownership.
I'm assuming here you were charged on the state level with no prison time ?
 
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