selfing ?

Hello all ,
I have 2 GDP FEMS , both identical (clones) to the beautiful mother pheno. If I spray 1 sibling with CS and use its pollen to pollinate the other fem sibling , what will the outcome of the produced beans be?
Will the beans still carry the gene pool from ken's original , or will they be more likely to be like the pheno I want to isolate? I hope this makes sense. I want to produce beans that will most likely be the pheno I have now , cause I need to stop my grow for a few months soon and I don't want to lose this great GDP pheno.
Does this process have to be repeated for several generations with appropriate selections?
I guess this would not be selfing , but maybe ILB.
Thanks for any feedback from people with experience.

It'll be similar but not exact, the best thing to do is make a decent amount of selfed seeds then grow out a good sized batch ro find one that is closest to the mom. Sometimes you'll find something better most times a little different, hard to find exactly the same thing though. It'll be a numbers game. Yoy wont have to do generational breeding unless you want all the seeds of the new generations to be stable for that pheno you already have. S1 though are pretty close to the moms but there will always be variation.

This would be selfing unless you want to stabilize the phenos of the mom if that's what you want you'd have to inbreeding or back cross but would take longer than one season/grow.

Galvatron,
Thanks for the response.
I just want seeds that will be close
To the mom. Can you please explain both processes
You described please. Still a newb when it comes to
Breeding.
What is it called if I used 1 fem clone Sib to pollinate
The other fem clone Sib? Is that selfing or back crossing?
I'm OK with having some variety of phenos to choose from , but would like them to have similar traits (tri covered nugs).
Thanks

when you breed the plant to itself even from a clone its a S1
you take the S1 most like your GDP you like and breed it back to the original mother that would be a back cross/ IBL

Mr. Ganga,
OK , so I spray clone 1(C1) with colloidal silver.
Then use the pollen from C1 and pollinate clone 2(C2).
I then grow out the seeds from C2 , find the pheno closest to the mother , then spray it with CS and use its pollen to pollinate the mother? Is this correct?
If so , why would I have to pollinate the mother again if C2 is an exact replica of the mother?
Sorry for the stupid questions , just trying to make sure I understand.
Wouldn't the seeds from C2 be a IBL , genetically speaking?
Couldn't I use pollen from C1 to pollinate the mother to create backcross / ibl seeds?
Thanks for the patients....

the clone and mother are the same plant
any breeding between them would be a self
the offspring of a selfed plant bred back into the original mother would be a back cross

its to lock in the desired traits so you dont have to pheno hunt so hard to find what you want

I mqy be mistaken and someone correct me if im wrong but if you take pollen from an already feminized seed, that pollen will only produce males in the next generation as the y chromosome has already been removed from the initial femmed seed...so if you spray a femmed plant with CS and let it pollinate a clone of the mother it will only produce male offspring..

eastcoastmo said:

I mqy be mistaken and someone correct me if im wrong but if you take pollen from an already feminized seed, that pollen will only produce males in the next generation as the y chromosome has already been removed from the initial femmed seed...so if you spray a femmed plant with CS and let it pollinate a clone of the mother it will only produce male offspring..

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No. How do two female plants produce only male offspring? There is no "male" chromosomes to produce males.

Cool, i stand corrected...I'm almost sure I've read somewhere that only males will be produced through continuous self pollinating though, will have a dig around and see if i can find it...I'd dare say it may be to do with something entirely different though lol

eastcoastmo said:

Cool, i stand corrected...I'm almost sure I've read somewhere that only males will be produced through continuous self pollinating though, will have a dig around and see if i can find it...I'd dare say it may be to do with something entirely different though lol

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Don't bother looking. If it exists, it is wrong.

A female plant has two X chromosomes. (XX)
If you force a female plant to produce male pollen, the pollen will only have X chromosomes. (XX)
If you pollinate a female plant (XX) with pollen that only has (XX) chromosomes the resulting plants will only have X chromosomes.

Yeah I see the error of my ways Trousers, I'll put that one down to bein whacked and not thinking before typing