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dubg60

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so i been researching and reading all over this site and i decided to give it a try
i have here a scrog i attpempted that is now in day 3 of flower
its herojuana and bubble gum and four other little plants i added in there for the hell of it
there in a 2x4 ebb n flo tray sitting on top of gro slabs theyre in a 3'x5'x7' room i built for the it with a 6'' duct fan cooling a 1k watt hps any help will do what i can improve on or what im doing wrongView attachment 2413257View attachment 2413258View attachment 2413259View attachment 2413260View attachment 2413261View attachment 2413262
 
crazyhazey

crazyhazey

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they're lookin great! those perky leaves scream "we're lovin it in here!" haha i would say some smart trimming of your canopy and letting some light and air get through, with a dense bush like that some leaves tend to shadow others and later on that can damage your yield big time. like your strain choice though, herijuana's a personal favorite of mine and a friend of mine on here is growing bubblegum on here and it looks like a good strain for a scrog like this.this grow should be interesting, please do post a link if your making a journal, and dont forget to take some close ups once that herijuana hits week 8, bring an extra pair of drawers too :lol:
 
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dubg60

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Thanks crazy. What do you mean trimming should I trim the little shoots and leaves on top of the net? That are amll and won't amount to anything? And completely trim everything under the net?
 
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MrMeanGreen

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I would scrap em and start again. The leaves are just green, too green in fact, no brown crispy bits to break up the view. The stems are way to thick, how are they going to droop with that much support. Also have a word with whoever gave you the cuttings, tight git could have gave you a few mites. The number of homeless mites is climbing every day, we all need to do our bit. So all in all ya pretty screwed, don't worry ya next one will be better.:clap:
 
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Sir.Ganga

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Still being the first week of flower I would shave those legs a little higher and thin the top out to allow light a little deeper into the canopy. What ever you take off the bottom and the inside will bulk onto the other bud sites.

Good Luck
 
crazyhazey

crazyhazey

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if theres any leaves in the shadows that arent getting really any light they're basically useless, like a solar panel in the shadows. your plant will use the lower leaves as an energy source in late flower but you wont need too leave that many, just dont make em palm trees like some other people on here(they take the word trimming way too seriously and leave like a foot of stem leading up to buds, kills your yield big time). if its a branch then its a bud spot, but if the branch is in the shadows thats gonna most likely be a popcorn bud if it doesnt start getting direct light. id also trim any new branches under the canopy, this growth is just gonna slow down the other growth on the plant since its focusing more energy in multiple places so your nutes/energy is divided up among the branches, whichever branch is closest to the light you can expect to yield the best so weave it back through the screen if one branch gets too far ahead so all of em come out even, but be careful training em snapping stems is no fun, give the stem a nice pinch between your thumb, pointer and your middle finger(not too hard!) until the stem becomes flimsy and forgiving. if you get a snap just make a splint.
 
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dubg60

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crazyhazey said:
if theres any leaves in the shadows that arent getting really any light they're basically useless, like a solar panel in the shadows. your plant will use the lower leaves as an energy source in late flower but you wont need too leave that many, just dont make em palm trees like some other people on here(they take the word trimming way too seriously and leave like a foot of stem leading up to buds, kills your yield big time). if its a branch then its a bud spot, but if the branch is in the shadows thats gonna most likely be a popcorn bud if it doesnt start getting direct light. id also trim any new branches under the canopy, this growth is just gonna slow down the other growth on the plant since its focusing more energy in multiple places so your nutes/energy is divided up among the branches, whichever branch is closest to the light you can expect to yield the best so weave it back through the screen if one branch gets too far ahead so all of em come out even, but be careful training em snapping stems is no fun, give the stem a nice pinch between your thumb, pointer and your middle finger(not too hard!) until the stem becomes flimsy and forgiving. if you get a snap just make a splint.
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i just bent them back down supercropping and taming these wild beast. trimmed alot of leaves and little shit underneath the net and above the net anything that wasw blocking light got snipped heres some pics to show what mess ive done hopefully it isint too much that i bent them and supercropped them too much.....i added a new fan for top circulation and the fucker fell and landed on top of one plant snapping it it half so i had to chuck it and made some clones with it2012-11-18_00-05-28_960.jpg2012-11-18_00-05-38_43.jpg2012-11-18_00-05-53_594.jpg2012-11-18_00-05-47_13.jpg
 
blacksun

blacksun

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dubg60 said:
now in day 3 of flower
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Wait....are they feminized seeds?

Already in flower + lots of stress (super cropping + lots of trimming) + feminized seeds might = hermies.

I don't want to cry wolf, but watch out if they are feminized seeds.
 
crazyhazey

crazyhazey

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looks like you got some good light penetration on your canopy, sorry to hear about that fan falling but its good you got to take some clones so its not a total loss.
 
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dubg60

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blacksun said:
Was the original plant from seed a feminized seed or regular seed? (meaning the mother, or mother's mother, or however far back it goes) They may not specify.
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I don't know I got the clones from a dispensary around my area didn't really ask
 
Trousers

Trousers

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blacksun said:
Wait....are they feminized seeds?

Already in flower + lots of stress (super cropping + lots of trimming) + feminized seeds might = hermies.

I don't want to cry wolf, but watch out if they are feminized seeds.
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I am surprised people still believe this and insist on giving advice based on it. It is wildly inaccurate to say that feminized seeds are more likely to "herm."
Feminized seeds are no more likely to produce male flowers than the plants they were produced from. One could argue that regular or unfeminized seeds are more likely to produce hermaphrodites than feminized seeds.
 
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dubg60

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Trousers said:
I am surprised people still believe this and insist on giving advice based on it. It is wildly inaccurate to say that feminized seeds are more likely to "herm."
Feminized seeds are no more likely to produce male flowers than the plants they were produced from. One could argue that regular or unfeminized seeds are more likely to produce hermaphrodites than feminized seeds.
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Thanks for easing my mind I'm over here tripping thinking they we're gonna turn on me
 
Trousers

Trousers

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If they start to show male flowers, that does not necessarily mean they are hermaphrodites.
When people see male flowers, it is usually due to stress from nutes, heat, cold, lack of light, light leaks,

I'm not convinced super cropping, trimming, scrogging, defoliating etc cause a lot of stress, otherwise skilled growers that use these techniques would be reporting stress induced "hermies."

If a female plant is likely to show male flowers if you give it too much nitrogen, then the seeds will probably have this tendency.

Remember to circulate/exchange air up top, you do not want any mold.
 
crazyhazey

crazyhazey

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i agree with trousers on that, training wont really cause stress hermies. as far as expected yield goes, im never too sure. 1000w's yield really well and heri as well as bubblegum are good yielders, id just count how many bud spots you have and expect each of those buds to yield anywhere from a quarter to a half zip each if all goes well and its growing vigorously throughout flower. with a vertical grow you probably could get a g per watt with a strain like chronic or killing fields but since this is flat you might get +/- .6 g per watt since only so much of the lumens can be used. if you do another flat grow id start the plants on the outer edges a week earlier that the ones in the the middle so you get a little more efficiency out of your light, somewhat like a stadium grow without elevating your plants.
 
blacksun

blacksun

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Trousers said:
I am surprised people still believe this and insist on giving advice based on it. It is wildly inaccurate to say that feminized seeds are more likely to "herm."
Feminized seeds are no more likely to produce male flowers than the plants they were produced from. One could argue that regular or unfeminized seeds are more likely to produce hermaphrodites than feminized seeds.
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You have to understand how feminized seeds are produced, then you would understand why it's more likely.

"Feminized seeds are no more likely to produce male flowers than the plants they were produced from."

Uh.........a feminized seed is produced from a plant that is a female, pollinated with another female that has hermied.

So, from your very own sentence:

"Feminized seeds are no more likely to produce male flowers than the plants they were produced from, who DID produce male flowers, hermied, and pollinated themselves or another female plant."

That's literally how feminized seeds are created.

You just agreed with me.

In addition to that, those feminized seeds that were created from a hermie, get the hermie trait passed down to them. That's just how genetics works.

That's why feminized seeds have a much greater tendency to herm compared to non feminized seeds.

Non feminized seeds you can beat the crap out of and they (almost) never herm.

Some feminized seeds will pop out nanners at the first sign of stress. For example, I've seen green house seeds' feminized seeds do that, both for myself and others.
 
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dubg60

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crazyhazey said:
i agree with trousers on that, training wont really cause stress hermies. as far as expected yield goes, im never too sure. 1000w's yield really well and heri as well as bubblegum are good yielders, id just count how many bud spots you have and expect each of those buds to yield anywhere from a quarter to a half zip each if all goes well and its growing vigorously throughout flower. with a vertical grow you probably could get a g per watt with a strain like chronic or killing fields but since this is flat you might get +/- .6 g per watt since only so much of the lumens can be used. if you do another flat grow id start the plants on the outer edges a week earlier that the ones in the the middle so you get a little more efficiency out of your light, somewhat like a stadium grow without elevating your plants.
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So next time have the net be shaped more like a U?
 
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