PH Perfect? We will see.. A/N SensiBloom PhPerfect Flower run with TH Seeds Kushsage

Ok boys and girls... I have been a Botanicare man for the past three years and finally have my soup and Stinkbud system dialed in. Here is my Bubblegum that is 3 weeks in flower now with Botanicare line to show you:





Wow they look beautiful, yes you are correct they sure do. So why change nutes now? Well to be honest I feel prey to the Advanced Nutrients (AN) hype! Now with this PH Perfect line it seems like a good time to try. I am not affiliated with AN or bias in any way other then I want big buds that smoke awesome.

With that being said this is what this journal is about :



Advanced Nutrients SensiBloom PH Perfect, and what it is suppose to do is adjust your ph for you if your water is between 4.5 and 8ph (which is virtually all water). With the Botanicare Organic line the PH fluctuation is pretty wild first few days and always floats with the organics mixing it up between each other. If this product delivers the goods without having to monitor PH as much then I am sold.

*NOW* this is NOT available in US yet per ingredients in it or something, but it can be had from a few non-US grow shops until that crap is ironed out. Do not let the local hydro chumps tell you the SensiBloom black label is PH Perfect its not, you can NOT buy it in the US yet, maybe some hydro shops bootlegged it in. Make sure it has the NEW label and PH Perfect is in the ribbon under the girl.

This is the plant we will be growing for this journal, which also is on SensiGrow (non PH perfect) right now as well so I can get the full AN line effect on a grow. It is a TH Seeds Kushsage that was brought to me by Attitude Seeds.



It is about 3 weeks into Veg (topped back down to 2nd node for 4 mains) and will be a bucket DWC for this one as the White Widow and Bubblegum have a ways to go and this should be into flower next week. The roots are just hitting water now and should start to rocket off, the Sensigrow is impressive so far as the grow rate, plant color, leaves are all top notch. Here is the soup currently :

SensiGrow A&B (50% strength)
Rhino Skin
CalMag for my RO
Botanicare Aquashield

I will be mixing in some supplements from Bontanicare but the main food will be AN SensiBloom PH Perfect. That will give you an idea how the PH perfect acts when other brands are added to the soup not just AN line.

PH is at 5.6
PPM is 660
Temp is 70F

I will drop an update early next week and when the PH perfect is going to be on stage when we drop this girl into flower.

Kushage (TH Seeds SAGE x OG Kush) is looking good but will wait till weekend to plop her into flower for a bit more yield.



I do have to say being a Botanicare guy, also after reading the AN bashing on the threads and in the hydro-shops, it's working really well. The plant is healthy and green, growing very fast (almost double in 3 days since switching to the AN SensiGrow) so I might have found some new soup if the PH perfect works like it should.

Speaking of the PH perfect, I thought about this grow and I am going to test AN's claim to forget PH. I will add all my ingredients, adjust for ppm always BUT NEVER adjust the ph so as long as it is within their specs which it most certainly should be at 4.5 to 8.5ph.

This will prove if you can really get rid of the ph meter with this stuff. I didn't plan it this way but I think it should be out there for other growers using this stuff if you can REALLY ignore PH. Now, I will save the plant if its getting very bad but I will let it go awhile without PH intervention, I will measure the PH to make sure the 4.5 to 8.5 requirements and document them with pics on updates.

I think doing it this way being un-biased as I have doubts anyway, and will prove for others on the fence about this product.

I'm excited...

Update 09.15.11

I put her in flower last night, and here is what I have done so far.

First off I picked up these 1/4" dia. Watts Quick Connectors that will allow for quick disconnect for plants to be moved and cleaning the buckets. This is my first plant in DWC but I plan to throw in a few more after I see if this PH Perfect works. These should allow the mobility I want.



Here is the plant:



I added 210ppm of SensiBloom PH Perfect A&B, CalMag and couple drops of H2O2. I went low since this is my first round with Advanced Nutes and will adjust as the plant lets me know.






Ok now this stuff seems potent, as I mix them in the bucket I hear crackling like battery acid which shocked me, so I wear latex gloves handling this stuff. The water itself was around 7.0 PH after all the nutes were added this was my ph.



Adjusted to 5.6 automatically, hmm. I watched it for a few hours and this morning some, it seems to float. Sometimes 5.9 to 5.4. I don't know if its designed this way but its like you were letting the ph fluctuation like normally adjusting. Now I don't know if this is by design or the nutes just allow uptake at any ph level. Either way I am letting it run its course without interference with any ph up or down.

Roots are coming in nicely even through the 6" net pot. I think I will run 3" pots from now on though.



Here is my Bubblegum that is about 2 weeks out or tad more (main cola on this is about a 12oz soda can already):



Damn I wish I would have cloned this one, just an awesome growing easy to care for plant that yields awesome. I might have to pick up a few seeds and make it a keeper strain if the smoke is good.

thanks for doing this. very interesting

nice grow and setup you got rockin......I am using the older Sensi Grow/Bloom and a few more additives......check out my current grow journal. I definitely will stayed tuned in so I can see how well this new Sensi PH Perfect mix works out.

widow

711grower said:

thanks for doing this. very interesting

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NP. I figured there were others intrigued by the new PH Perfect and are wondering if its worth the trouble to get it.

widowmaker31 said:

nice grow and setup you got rockin......I am using the older Sensi Grow/Bloom and a few more additives......check out my current grow journal. I definitely will stayed tuned in so I can see how well this new Sensi PH Perfect mix works out.

widow

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Yes me too, it would save a ton of headaches. I will definitely check out your journal this morning sir, ty.

I had some responses and comments on another site, and I thought it was good for the thread:

TheBioMaster said:

Advanced Tech support told me that you are not suppose to use cal/mag with the sensi PH perfect formula as they said it would mess up the PH Perfect part....just a fyi....have done some testing with this line and the main thing I do not like about it is it has UREA in it for the nitrogen source. UREA and DWC do not really go together and there are MUCH better sources for nitrogen in other cheaper formula's. I also do not like the fact that you can not use other formula's/additives, according to AN tech support.

This nutrient would do better in a soil environment IMHO.....The weird noise you hear is the release of the alkaline or acid chemical that AN uses to control the PH. Nobody knows what this chemical is or if it is harmful ......

Good luck with it.....we found it did not perform well at all in a DWC or RDWC setup compared to just about every other formula we tried.....sure it kept the PH stable...but at what price?? We found that since we could not verify its main active ingredients that it was not really safe to run plus the fact it has such poor source material for nitrogen.....I try and keep mammal urine away from hydroponics tanks thank you....

I also cant keep the thought of Big Fat Mike in the back of a building pissing in the bottles to save money on over head cost.....

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TheBioMaster said:

Forgot to mention they also said not to use H202 as well as any other type of additive like that....no Dutch Master zone, no HF....notta...they said to keep a clean tank....lol

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TheBioMaster said:

Here is what BIg Mike said about it not being released in the USA.....

The story behind the PH Perfect formula per Big Mike was that the company that made this "secret" ingredient for them that controlled the PH level, right at the time they were about to release the product to the public, got sold to someone else. This new owner of the chemical company decided they did not want to make this product for AN any longer or do business with AN (shocker!!). SO the deal was off basically and hence the delay.....so finally after god knows what went on behind closed doors, AN talked the new owners into making and selling them the magic chemical to control PH again! All is well in fantasy land again! Big Mike now says in a couple months PH Perfect will be on the shelves across the grand USA!!! That was over a year ago........

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ShroomDr said:

You went from one 'premium' fertilizer that is very stable, to another 'premium' fertilizer that is not...

I guess the grass is always greener (it is not).


Do yourself a favor at ask yourself this question; If Advanced is tailored to MJ growing, why do they keep changing their formula every 18-30 months?

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farmdalefurr said:

let the bashing begin.......... :bashhead:

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Sure I realized that there would be AN bashing and people on both sides. I don't care what it has voodoo, urine, acid etc. If it grows big nice smooth smoking buds without hassling with PH I am all in.

I respect all comments on AN and other products as long as its informative and constructive. I am going to continue to run my Cal-Mag and H2o2 and see if the negative effects come about from it. I am not one to just go by someones post, or even tech support. I have worked for some big corporations that had tech support, and let me tell you they all suck ass. So I am one to do it for myself and see the results, which what I plan to do here.

The plant last night is showing the first signs of real growth spurt (excited) so it is liking the ridiculous small amount of nutes I am giving it being carefully not to burn. I will probably boost them up tonight by 100 or so ppm to see the results.

I am currently using the advanced nutrients G-M-B 3 part series with ph perfect to grow a plant i have in soil crazy thing is my plant is starting to get that good green coloring from the nutes and i havent even checked the ph of the water yet i just let it sit out and then add the nutes to it..i am a bit more satisfied with this nutes then with GH 3 part series On my next grow i will return to DWC and really test them out since there wont be anything to buffer the nutes

i love it!

im always happy to see a new AN convert hehe

i was gunna say the same about the cal/mag but i didnt hear anything about it not working well with the ph perfect so thats good to know

i was just gunna say that u should be careful with teh cal/mag becuz sensi and basically all of ANs nutes should not need any. they r made for RO water


dont listen to the haters they have a personal agenda

me i dont care so long as the plants grow as awsome as they do and AN keeps supporting legalization which they do

Looks like you have that bubblegum dialed in. Very lush.
I have been using the regular AN with GREAT results. I am interested to see the results of the ph perfect.
Thanks for experimenting for us!

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I never go on hearsay, I rather see for myself even if it does fail. Ya I figure the hate towards AN is either people get great results and don't want everyone using them or they can't afford the line and bash them anyway. Like most idiot posts all it takes is one then the mindless drones will follow.

Update tonight when lights come on, its starting to stretch out and look not so bushy.

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no some ppl have a problem with AN regulary bashing GH.they also dont like some of their bullshit claims about their products increasing yield by 19%.they have also been bullying some hydro shops into selling their other products like their ballasts,telling them unless you sell a certain amount of our other products you are not allowed to sell are nutrients.for this reason some hydro shops refuse to sell their stuff.
i personally think they have some good nutrients,but imo they have far too many,and most of them are not needed,and quite a few of them are very overpriced.

How's that working? It seems counter-intuitive to feed a full strength with small plants, but then letting the pH do whatever it wants is a new thing too.

It feels a bit like driving with your eyes shut and hands in your lap. But Google's got cars that drive themselves now in normal every-day traffic without any problem.


It makes you wonder what they'll come up with next.

Hey hows that ph been been looking at the ph perfect for awhile really not sure as of what base to get. i grow in coco

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Hey hows that ph been been looking at the ph perfect for awhile really not sure as of what base to get. i grow in coco

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I know this is an old thread, but I thought I'd let folks know that pH Perfect technology is guaranteed (I think) unless you use coco.

That's right, folks who use coco probably shouldn't use AN. I know some folks have been able to manage with it, but I know it's not recommended by the folks who actually made it.