I emailed the online retailer that their ph down was weak and they responded this today "No complains on the pH down or up, it would show up on my feedback if it wasn't working. The price flex is due to competition, NOT because of quality. I try to keep my pricing few cents or dollar cheaper than the cheapest competition. Have you tried my product before? I know in some cases it is not as strong as some others for sale but mine is food grade and safe for fish and plants and competition may be using stronger industrial formula but it can be toxic. What makes pH down barely work is if you have high carbonates in your system. Any rocks, sand, decoration made from plaster or if you use tap water. These listed have high content of carbonates (added by the city water district). Each time you add a pH down those carbonate will counter the reaction and bring it back up. Those carbonate will maintain your pH between 7.5 to 8.5 and it doesn't seem to go down no matter how much pH you add and even if it goes down, it goes back up within hours. That is a sign of high carbonate"