Need help with dying plants

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Cleavequill

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Hey guys,

So this is my second time growing ever and I've ran into a lot of problems recently. I have two plants and a clone together in a 24x24 growtent in coco. Rn I'm using cfl's but when I started i was using a 1000W LED (actually about 180W). I figured the light would be to big but I wanted to give it a try anyways. Since I'm using a scrog I was able to keep the lights about 27 inches above the plants.
During veg everything was fine but after I switched to flowering the plants started showing symptomps of what I believed was light burn.
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(About two weeks into flowering)

So after it got worse over the next couple days I switched back to cfls which I was using for my first grow. But the symptomes kept getting worse. This is also my first time adding calmag to the nutritions but I think I couldve given too much during flowering so I flushed them twice and I'm now feeding them just nutes without any calmag.

It has also been very hot weather so the temperatures inside are around 90 degrees.

They're a little over 4 weeks into flowering but the buds didnt really grow in size at all.
The plants aren't really looking good and as far as I can tell its still getting slightly worse on a couple leaves.
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I'm really not sure what to do or what the problem really is, so any info/help at all would be great.
Thanks!
 
TacoMac

TacoMac

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It isn't light burn. If it were, all of the leaves at that same height would look relatively the same.

It looks more like a magnesium deficiency to me that is working its way through the older growth first.
 
hotrodharley

hotrodharley

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Only one shot of cal mag that you identified as a problem? And then flushed it but no more cal mag. What's the rationalization for that?
 
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growingforfun

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Cleavequill said:
Hey guys,

So this is my second time growing ever and I've ran into a lot of problems recently. I have two plants and a clone together in a 24x24 growtent in coco. Rn I'm using cfl's but when I started i was using a 1000W LED (actually about 180W). I figured the light would be to big but I wanted to give it a try anyways. Since I'm using a scrog I was able to keep the lights about 27 inches above the plants.
During veg everything was fine but after I switched to flowering the plants started showing symptomps of what I believed was light burn.
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(About two weeks into flowering)

So after it got worse over the next couple days I switched back to cfls which I was using for my first grow. But the symptomes kept getting worse. This is also my first time adding calmag to the nutritions but I think I couldve given too much during flowering so I flushed them twice and I'm now feeding them just nutes without any calmag.

It has also been very hot weather so the temperatures inside are around 90 degrees.

They're a little over 4 weeks into flowering but the buds didnt really grow in size at all.
The plants aren't really looking good and as far as I can tell its still getting slightly worse on a couple leaves.
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I'm really not sure what to do or what the problem really is, so any info/help at all would be great.
Thanks!
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Try to get a few grows under your belt the easy way, with dirt. I'll never understand why brand new people try to jump into coco, or hydro. Doing these style it's easy for someone to run into big problems like this, or outright kill their plants...

I'm with taco, looks like nute issues, could be mag. A bit of Epsom salt will be a easy way to fix it, or calmag.
Imo next run go with soil, fox farms or comparable high quality brand.
 
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Cleavequill

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So here's a view from the side. The large fan leaves on the bottom are mostly still green.
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I fed calmag from the beginning of veg until a few weeks into flowering at about 4ml per gallon. Since I dont have a lot of experience yet my best guess besides the lights was a nutrient lockout caused by too much calmag. Thats because I finished my first grow completely without calmag. Im only using it this time because i figured I could increase plant growth and yield

So should I start adding calmag to the water again?
 
Bernie420

Bernie420

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Cleavequill said:
So here's a view from the side. The large fan leaves on the bottom are mostly still green.
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I fed calmag from the beginning of veg until a few weeks into flowering at about 4ml per gallon. Since I dont have a lot of experience yet my best guess besides the lights was a nutrient lockout caused by too much calmag. Thats because I finished my first grow completely without calmag. Im only using it this time because i figured I could increase plant growth and yield

So should I start adding calmag to the water again?
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need to know at what ppm are you feeding them what ph what nutes
 
Bernie420

Bernie420

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well the answer is the same as the last guy so I just copied that.

Flush out your pot with clean water phed at 6.5 at least two-three gallons shop vac all that up. Then renute at half strength add b-vitamins {superthrive} for the stress add microbes for any root issues and nutrient uptake. Add that mix to run off clean it all up and then leave it alone as far as watering anything else till the pot dries up. Pick off all the leaves that are 60% missing any green in them as they are trash and blocking light an any good leaves. You could get by without the b-vitamins but dont do this without the microbes in your water when you renute them.

maybe cut the cal mag to 2 ml per gallon you definitely need a ppm meter and a ph meter

what deficiency you have is mostly potassium and second is mag. I would guess you burnt up your plant by too high of a ppm, when its hot the plant drinks more but cant process the nutes and burn itself up, so when it hot and they will drink more just due to the heat you need to back off on the ppm when you feed them === put your flower light back in
 
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Cleavequill

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Bernie420 said:
well the answer is the same as the last guy so I just copied that.

Flush out your pot with clean water phed at 6.5 at least two-three gallons shop vac all that up. Then renute at half strength add b-vitamins {superthrive} for the stress add microbes for any root issues and nutrient uptake. Add that mix to run off clean it all up and then leave it alone as far as watering anything else till the pot dries up. Pick off all the leaves that are 60% missing any green in them as they are trash and blocking light an any good leaves. You could get by without the b-vitamins but dont do this without the microbes in your water when you renute them.

maybe cut the cal mag to 2 ml per gallon you definitely need a ppm meter and a ph meter

what deficiency you have is mostly potassium and second is mag. I would guess you burnt up your plant by too high of a ppm, when its hot the plant drinks more but cant process the nutes and burn itself up. put your flower light back in

seen the hesi post you want a bloom nute from now on that sounds like a veg nute to me.
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Thanks for your answer! I'll definately try that. I hope they'll still make it.

The flowering nutes actually consist of two parts the one with 3-3-4 which has a little more n in it (i think for the flowering stretch, thats why you're supposed to switch nutes imideatly after changing lights to 12/12) and also a second one which only has p+k at 7-5 that I just started adding about a week ago
 
Bernie420

Bernie420

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Cleavequill said:
ph is always around 6 and I'm using HESI wich has npk values of 3-3-4. I'm adding around 12ml per gallon
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I cant find hesi 3/33/4 is that a veg nute? you need a bloom nute in flower. at any rate you need to up you K and mag and lower you N unless you want to restrict you bud development and have airy buds
 
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Cleavequill

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Its not an american brand so its probably not that common but its definately a bloom nute.

So I'll start feeding them less n and more of the pk nutes also some calmag. I'll get microbes as soon as I can and then flush them
 
Bernie420

Bernie420

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Cleavequill said:
Thanks for your answer! I'll definately try that. I hope they'll still make it.

The flowering nutes actually consist of two parts the one with 3-3-4 which has a little more n in it (i think for the flowering stretch, thats why you're supposed to switch nutes imideatly after changing lights to 12/12) and also a second one which only has p+k at 7-5 that I just started adding about a week ago
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So basically your feeding it a 3/10/9 which you should of started at week two. maybe change nutes for the next run or get a powdered potassium only to up the K a little by 50 ppms or so. What I am trying to say if you had a ppm meter and mixed your nutes and it came to X amount then added a powdered K and it came to X plus 50 ppms that would be ok to feed and then go from there.
 
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Cleavequill

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Bernie420 said:
So basically your feeding it a 3/10/9 which you should of started at week two. maybe change nutes for the next run or get a powdered potassium only to up the K a little by 50 ppms or so. What I am trying to say if you had a ppm meter and mixed your nutes and it came to X amount then added a powdered K and it came to X plus 50 ppms that would be ok to feed and then go from there.
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Ok thanks for your help. I'll get one for next time and also switch nutes/growing medium
 
Bernie420

Bernie420

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Cleavequill said:
Ok thanks for your help. I'll get one for next time and also switch nutes/growing medium
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I guess you dont need to switch just have a little K on hand if you get a potassium deficiency again on the next grows you can just add that in to correct it.
 
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