Livewires in the Growroom and how to deal w/ them

SnapsProvolone · Aug 3, 2014

I don't trust those non contact voltage detection pens. I've witnessed more failures, in both directions, than I care to admit.

That said, implying that everyone knows how to read a multimeter would be an erroneous assumption indeed.

Sometimes an individual might test an unterminated, unboxed feed as described by the OP. Testing may indicate no energy therefore work is started, a wall switch is flipped elsewhere thus energizing the feed.

epic fail.

waterdawg · Aug 3, 2014

Oh well. Some real good advice did come out of this post. Sorry OP but it wasn't from you lol. Posting things that you know nothing about just to post when it concerns things that can actually kill is just stupid imo. "Its better to say nothing and let people think your an idiot than to say things that prove your an idiot"!!!

waterdawg · Aug 3, 2014

playermic said:
Gee, charbroil, you should do your research before claiming this is bad advice,, everything I said coincides with proven, professional methods of capping off wires. If you don't believe me then you can just do a google search and see for yourself. Let the big boys talk about something critical, and dangerous as electricity That's how you learn and get better.

Yup leave it to the big boys lol. Thanks for all the advice OP. I'll throw away my lock out kit and just keep a bunch of wire nuts in my pocket lol.

SnapsProvolone · Aug 3, 2014

waterdawg said:
Yup leave it to the big boys lol. Thanks for all the advice OP. I'll throw away my lock out kit and just keep a bunch of wire nuts in my pocket lol.

Should we request a code amendment? Lol been looking for some cost cutting measures, and hasps seem to end up walking off the truck...

playermic · Aug 3, 2014

Like I previously stated, everything I said coincides with proven, professional methods of capping off wires. If your a plumber-butt electrician and think you know more about capping wires, then good for you. the point of this post is to help people identify hot wires by the color, typically red or black. Also, to inform people to wear double rubber gloves that will save lives.
-Playermic

BobBitchen · Aug 3, 2014

playermic said:
Like I previously stated, everything I said coincides with proven, professional methods of capping off wires. If your a plumber-butt electrician and think you know more about capping wires, then good for you. the point of this post is to help people identify hot wires by the color, typically red or black. Also, to inform people to wear double rubber gloves that will save lives.
-Playermic

unfuqin' believlble

yer gonna kill someone

tough to spin a wire nut with bro

SnapsProvolone · Aug 3, 2014

playermic said:
Like I previously stated, everything I said coincides with proven, professional methods of capping off wires. If your a plumber-butt electrician and think you know more about capping wires, then good for you. the point of this post is to help people identify hot wires by the color, typically red or black. Also, to inform people to wear double rubber gloves that will save lives.
-Playermic

Color is not an indicator of what someone actually used the wire for.

@playermic you are proof that evolution is no longer applicable. Dumb as a box of poorly educated rocks.

spek9 · Aug 3, 2014

playermic said:
Something alotta growers may have in their room but overlooked is Open Electrical Wires. In order to properly deal w/ this potential safety hazard is this:

-Identify the live wires. typically live wires are red or black.

-You can test to see if its live with two pairs of rubber gloves, and rubber insole shoes.

-If the wires are live you can- a) attempt to cap off the wires yourself or b) get a certified electrician to cap off the wires for you. (recommended)
Heres what live wires look like: 1)notice the live wire is the second from left, red color

What, pray tell, do you do with the rubber gloves and rubber shoes to identify which is live and which isn't?

Please don't give out electrical advice without proper knowledge.

A multi-meter (or plain volt-meter) is the only real sure-fire way to tell if it is hot, and whether it is properly wired between neutral/hot/ground. Also, what if someone wired this 240v instead of 120v?

My advice would be to call in an electrician if you see something like this in your home (obviously your home inspector missed it!) unless you have experience in electrical (residential at minimum).

Those wires should be shorted per Snaps, or at minimum boxed up and capped (not wise though, or someone else will someday wonder why the fsck someone left an open circuit with nothing connected. ANY electrician will see a cable shorted and know exactly that the circuit is not in use.

-spek

Disclaimer: Former residential electrician in Ontario, Canada.

charface · Aug 3, 2014

He would respond but its hard to type with his

playermic said:
Like I previously stated, everything I said coincides with proven, professional methods of capping off wires. If your a plumber-butt electrician and think you know more about capping wires, then good for you. the point of this post is to help people identify hot wires by the color, typically red or black. Also, to inform people to wear double rubber gloves that will save lives.
-Playermic

You are assuming that those Bare wires are color coded and installed by a pro.
Good luck

BobBitchen · Aug 3, 2014

grab that white wire with yer gloves....................

waterdawg · Aug 3, 2014

spek9 said:
What, pray tell, do you do with the rubber gloves and rubber shoes to identify which is live and which isn't?

Please don't give out electrical advice without proper knowledge.

A multi-meter (or plain volt-meter) is the only real sure-fire way to tell if it is hot, and whether it is properly wired between neutral/hot/ground. Also, what if someone wired this 240v instead of 120v?

My advice would be to call in an electrician if you see something like this in your home (obviously your home inspector missed it!) unless you have experience in electrical (residential at minimum).

Those wires should be shorted per Snaps, or at minimum boxed up and capped (not wise though, or someone else will someday wonder why the fsck someone left an open circuit with nothing connected. ANY electrician will see a cable shorted and know exactly that the circuit is not in use.

-spek

Disclaimer: Former residential electrician in Ontario, Canada.

Actually I don't have an issue with someone screwing with their own shit, its their life! But dont spread stupid shit on forums. WTF was OP thinking? Ok lets post this stupid shit so everyone can see how idiotic I sound lol. Also as a side note is it not legal and to code to box it in a cover and mark it? (The thread is started so maybe we can make it some what helpful lol) I'm not an electrician fyi, I'm refrigeration mechanic so not a bunch if resi knowledge. If boxing it, it will be there for future use. Also being red and black (if done properly) it would probably be either a switch circuit or 230v, is that correct? Welcome to chime in OP, don't forget the rubber gloves and soles though, the life you save may be your own :-o

playermic · Aug 3, 2014

spek9 said:
What, pray tell, do you do with the rubber gloves and rubber shoes to identify which is live and which isn't?

Please don't give out electrical advice without proper knowledge.

A multi-meter (or plain volt-meter) is the only real sure-fire way to tell if it is hot, and whether it is properly wired between neutral/hot/ground. Also, what if someone wired this 240v instead of 120v?

My advice would be to call in an electrician if you see something like this in your home (obviously your home inspector missed it!) unless you have experience in electrical (residential at minimum).

Those wires should be shorted per Snaps, or at minimum boxed up and capped (not wise though, or someone else will someday wonder why the fsck someone left an open circuit with nothing connected. ANY electrician will see a cable shorted and know exactly that the circuit is not in use.

-spek

Disclaimer: Former residential electrician in Ontario, Canada.

You wear the gloves and use a tool w/ a hard surface touch to the tip of each wire Do I have to spell it out for you??
"call an electrician lol, that's good advice considering that's the exact advice I included in this postbut now its your advice. you should high five yourself that's some good advice
Im happy you learned that, feel free to ask any more questions, guy.

BobBitchen · Aug 3, 2014

playermic said:
You wear the gloves and use a tool w/ a hard surface touch to the tip of each wire Do I have to spell it out for you??
"call an electrician lol, that's good advice considering that's the exact advice I included in this postbut now its your advice. you should high five yourself that's some good advice
Im happy you learned that, feel free to ask any more questions, guy.

BobBitchen · Aug 3, 2014

SnapsProvolone said:
Color is not an indicator of what someone actually used the wire for.

@playermic you are proof that evolution is no longer applicable. Dumb as a box of poorly educated rocks.

I would listen to rocks over this moron.. @playermic

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Moron may refer to:

Moron (psychology), disused term for a person with a mental age between 8 and 12
A common insult for a person considered stupid (or just a generic insult)

in this case, both.....

SnapsProvolone · Aug 3, 2014

@playermic how is it that you've managed to survive the obvious consequences of your own diminished capacity?

The dumbest person is one that refuses to admit that they're wrong when the situation is painfully obvious to all involved.

playermic · Aug 3, 2014

BobBitchen said:
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grab that white wire with yer gloves....................

Nice picture little buddy but this isn't electrical school and unfortunately not all electrical systems look like that. The reason I posted this thread is to address the average persons skill and understanding in the electrical field which doesn't involve the taking apart of complex electrical components.
-playermic

charface · Aug 3, 2014

playermic said:
You wear the gloves and use a tool w/ a hard surface touch to the tip of each wire Do I have to spell it out for you??
"call an electrician lol, that's good advice considering that's the exact advice I included in this postbut now its your advice. you should high five yourself that's some good advice
Im happy you learned that, feel free to ask any more questions, guy.

The point of your thread was to help noobs tap bare wires without spelling it out?
I think my work is done here.
I'm not an electrician either but I worked for a short time in hvac and worked under direct supervision of a licensed electrician so I diddnt melt my face off or damage property.

Op I think your heart was in the right place.
Maybe slightly ego driven and misguided but not evil.

Helping is great.
But why jump in half assed with electrical.

SnapsProvolone · Aug 3, 2014

@playermic I met a guy once that used your method to trip main breakers by arcing phases in a load center. NOT approved methods indeed and he got away with this method for many years, or so he says. But one day he arced his buss only to loose his eyesight due to arcflash (hot copper vapor in the eyes).

SnapsProvolone · Aug 3, 2014

playermic said:
Nice picture little buddy but this isn't electrical school and unfortunately not all electrical systems look like that. The reason I posted this thread is to address the average persons skill and understanding in the electrical field which doesn't involve the taking apart of complex electrical components.
-playermic

You calling someone "little buddy" lmfao.

BobBitchen · Aug 3, 2014

playermic said:
Nice picture little buddy but this isn't electrical school and unfortunately not all electrical systems look like that. The reason I posted this thread is to address the average persons skill and understanding in the electrical field which doesn't involve the taking apart of complex electrical components.
-playermic

you are a dolt...

good luck in life....you'll need it

Im outta here...with my rubber gloves...lol

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