Ganjalee
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Great question regarding coconut oil
Infusing Rick Simpson Oil into Coconut Oil w/ Sunflower Lecithin
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Grow Goddess
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No offense, but I don't think either of you know what you are talking about.
Of course the oil will taste bad if it is low grade crap. I don't know why people cannot get that through their heads. Use garbage parts of the plant, you get bad tasting garbage oil.
The oil works just fine all by itself. Yes, coconut oil can cause the oil to burn through your body quicker to where you get a stronger buzz. Is that good or bad? I do not know, and neither do you.
If you have low grade crappy tasting oil that sticks all over your teeth, or high grade oil that was long soaked to where it has all the plant waxes and chlorophyll, for some people it may be easier to put into a capsule. Adding a little coconut oil may be good, but not necessary. At least my two cancer free cancer patients would not believe so, because they did not use coconut oil and ingested the oil straight too.
I did not take any shortcuts. I did it the old fashioned hard way. I used the cream of my crops.
MrBoard, please do a bit more research before treating your patient. Stuffing one gram of oil in their mouth off the bat is not a good idea. You need to know how they will react to the oil before giving such a large dose. Most people who ingest one gram for the first time in one day would potentially be hallucinating for one to three days. That would be wrong to do that to somebody who is not familiar with cannabis in general. A patient should be slowly introduced to this medicine. It is not like smoking to where you can stop taking hits when you start feeling it. One peas size dose of my oil, the average patient will still be stoned the next day. I recommend trying to go with at least 4 strains. Rick does too, I speak with him often.
Here are some old pictures of my RSO. The really pretty looking oil tastes awesome. It pretty much dissolves right away and does not stick to your teeth because it is not full of plant waxes and such. Keep in mind, I use very select strains. Different strains have a big effect on the end product. Over the last 4 years I have been selecting my strains for oil only.
Most of these pictures are of the oil I treated my cancer patients with. No winterizing, no extra filtering, the only think I did different was a quick frozen wash in the solvent.
Maybe it is time for me to put up some new oil pics, these are old and don't look as nice as my new stuff.
I only use the best buds period to make oil.
qwizoking
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google it then..
argue its logP argue its polar surface area..
many studies are out showing flux rates and permeation enhancers are used pharmaceutically for this purpose.. as i said i can discuss the pharmacology of it in as much detail as you like..its what my degree is in... your opinions denouncing fact aggravate me and arent based on science..
argue its logP argue its polar surface area..
many studies are out showing flux rates and permeation enhancers are used pharmaceutically for this purpose.. as i said i can discuss the pharmacology of it in as much detail as you like..its what my degree is in... your opinions denouncing fact aggravate me and arent based on science..
Grow Goddess
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Fact, math, etc can all be used to manipulate and deceive. In many cases, people just can't handle the whoop.
So, tell my two cancer patients that they did not manage their cancers with just straight RSO.
I am not saying that cocunut oil does not offer aid, but I am saying that straight RSO works. Many others will say the same.
What exactly is your argument? Are you saying the RSO is not effective at all alone? Or is this just in reference to it dissolving under the tongue or in cheek?
For me personally, are you trying to tell me that when I have dissolved the oil under my tongue and felt full effects that I really didn't feel those effects?
If you want to talk about the best way to take RSO, forget the polar yadda, yadda, a suppository will probably be the most effective and quick way.
Yes permeation enhancers are used in many medicines. I am not saying that they do not help. I am saying I don't know and have also stated that with RSO it is not necessary. At least with my experience.
Do you have hands on experience or is this all based upon reading different scientific studies? There is a difference between knowledge and wisdom.
You aggravate me too, with your half truths and inaccurate facts.
To each their own...
MrBoard
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Hey... I don't know why you went the 'I'm too header for you, so I'm gonna act superior and insult you' route... But just a quick reminder... This is a forum for people to get information... I started a thread to gain some knowledge on a subject... There would be fewer people asking questions, if everyone just tries to belittle those that do...
That being said, I do appreciate the bit of actual input you have...
When I wrote my last reply... It was the middle of the night... And maybe I I didnt make myself fully clear... When I was talking about trying to give patients 1 gram, I was talking about just California MMJ patients... To test for potency... Not experimenting on a cancer patient!!! And I never said anyone should be 'stuffing a gram of oil in their mouth'... I said a gram throughout the day (1/3g at a time) .... The whole reason I started this thread was to figure out how the best way to finish preparing medicine before I give it to them... I do not intend on treating someone's cancer until I am fully certain that the method will work...
Also... The really light colored oil pictures you showed are pretty... But you know as well as I do, that by the time you give the oil to your patient it is the color that it is in the syringe picture... The cheese oil I made looked just as light in color until I pulled it off the Pyrex and it spent some time on parchment... It is still nice and caramel colored... Pretty much the same color as the oil you have in your syringes as well...
I would NEVER use low grade material to make oil for a cancer patient... And I find it a bit offensive that you made that assumption twice... I used high grade, all organically grown buds w sugar leaf mixed... I don't believe that you should only use manicured buds, because the sugar leaf has many other medicinal properties that the manicured buds do not...
As far as winterized material goes... I don't make butane oil at all... So I don't winterize anything... I was just wondering what ratios someone else used on their winterized batch because that's what they used... I am going to use my non winterized 99% iso extracted cheese oil...
MrBoard
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And I know all about starting at a tiny amount and doubling every 4 days... I am pretty much doing the same schedule as rick... But I am supplementing it with an extra 30+ days at a gram a day at the end... Basically... Instead of using 60grams...the treatment I am preparing is with 100grams...
Fadedawg
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What we've found, is that non sub zero non polar extractions also extract plant waxes, so unless you subsequently take them out. They reduce potency in direct proportion to their presence.
Pretty sure the evidence is there that straight non polar raw oleo resin extracts with the wax in place, are still effective, it only affects the dosage. In the case of RSO, with the waxes in place, Rick recommends a gram a day.
We mix winterized Absolutes with coconut oil and enhancers like cinnamon, because we get faster results that last longer and taste better to most people. With the waxes removed, it takes less, and with the uptake enhancers, the effects are felt within minutes sublingually.
My native American ancestors chewed willow bark and drank the tea for pain relief, where I simply use aspirin, an acetate made from the salicylic acid active ingredient in the willow bark. Both work, one is just faster and more potent than the other, so it takes less.
Since we are shooting in the dark as to exactly how much dosage is required of our more potent mixture, as wax content between strains and plants varies considerably, we continue to provide the patients enough extra of our mixture to supply a gram a day, until we know for sure how much is "enough."
One thing that I did pick up from Dr Melamede, and that is that taking 3X the cannabis oil dosage of Citicoline will mitigate the effects of the THC, allowing heavier doses and building tolerance faster. The next thing we will try..................
Pretty sure the evidence is there that straight non polar raw oleo resin extracts with the wax in place, are still effective, it only affects the dosage. In the case of RSO, with the waxes in place, Rick recommends a gram a day.
We mix winterized Absolutes with coconut oil and enhancers like cinnamon, because we get faster results that last longer and taste better to most people. With the waxes removed, it takes less, and with the uptake enhancers, the effects are felt within minutes sublingually.
My native American ancestors chewed willow bark and drank the tea for pain relief, where I simply use aspirin, an acetate made from the salicylic acid active ingredient in the willow bark. Both work, one is just faster and more potent than the other, so it takes less.
Since we are shooting in the dark as to exactly how much dosage is required of our more potent mixture, as wax content between strains and plants varies considerably, we continue to provide the patients enough extra of our mixture to supply a gram a day, until we know for sure how much is "enough."
One thing that I did pick up from Dr Melamede, and that is that taking 3X the cannabis oil dosage of Citicoline will mitigate the effects of the THC, allowing heavier doses and building tolerance faster. The next thing we will try..................
Grow Goddess
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Oh Lord please don't let me be misunderstood.....