I agree my statement was out of line. I get bummed when I take the time to help others out on here.. And I can't get any love back. If I don't clean this situation I will be sleeping in my car lol so sorry if I'm not first go to and buy some neem. I've been growing awhile now, and I don't like to use crazy pesticides.. But when you have a LARGE room, 20x20 and you get a problem.. And you plan to take care of that problem the most efficient way possible.. And when feeding your family is on the line... You want to rid your problem the quickest way possible. I am growing in sunshine #4 . It is going to be damn near impossible to kill everyone of these aphids with pesticides from hell, let alone need oil. So what I'm saying is , yes my self and about damn near everyone on this site knows that neem oil kills bugs . But any grower that knows what they are talking about will tell you neem is a waste of time for a commercial grower.