Hydro - How many days you FLUSH for ??

BDOGKush

BDOGKush

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Yodaweed said:
You guys who don't flush are smoking chemicals that's why your ashes are black.
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Who said anything about their ashes being black?

Yodaweed said:
You guys must be the end all of growing knowledge let me just go against everything I have learned from the dispensaries (which do not like to flush but do to increase quality) , grow shops, and personal experience. Smoking blunts eh? That sounds sad must have some shitty weed trying to cover up that dirt taste :(
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Went after how someone consumes marijuana and tried to claim we're wrong based on what you heard at a dispensary and hydro store.

Yodaweed said:
I was just reading your post and you even said that you are on your first hydro grow....why do you keep coming at someone that has way more experience?
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Incorrectly tried to claim someone was inexperienced.
Yodaweed said:
Now read and learn about flushing . Stop criticizing what you are ignorant about.
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Just plain rude.

Yodaweed said:
I linked a legit post with source of why flushing is used and only got shouting back about how I am wrong so I would like to see the same thing.
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Cried that people were shouting at you because they didn't agree with your point of view.

Yodaweed said:
You post nothing about actual facts like I have. Experience is not facts its just your opinion on what you did. My experience comes from growing for years and smoking weed from dispensaries all across Colorado. Why don't you try posting a fact instead of just running your mouth. Link me evidence like I did.
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Your experience comes from smoking weed from Colorado dispensaries. Plenty of facts have been posted, you're just too arrogant to read them.
 
ficklejester

ficklejester

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Thanks everyone for the links and resources.

polo the don said:
The best suggestion I have for you on this issue is to do what I did. I ran side by side sister clones of a strain I am quite familiar with. Same everything, controlled environment. I used 4 life long smoker friends to smoke it and tell me what's what. I didn't tell them what the difference was but that they were different. None of them or myself or my wife could tell a difference. She didn't know about what I did different. What I did notice was less bud mass on the flushed plant, and that's a problem for me.

Do some of each, see for yourself, but for me it's counterproductive. But that's for ME. We are all different.

Do yo thang!
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I agree a side by side may be required.. I'm a few weeks out from harvest, I might split the plants in half and try each way. I'll be honest, though, I've never given curing the time it deserves as I'm trying to cycle plants and sell bud as fast as possible (for the most part).

You make the best point regarding experience. A lot of this info is not available as a scientific study or experiment because growing is still mostly a taboo for the populace. All we have is each others experiences, and in the best case scenario, the ability to experiment ourselves. I find it best to find as many (reputable) sources as possible to support an opinion and go from there.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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A given number of opinions isn't the same as fact- it's just conventional wisdom.

Listen to people, but do your homework and study up. If what you're hearing doesn't square with what you're reading or seeing in your crop, that's a sign more investigation is needed. Approach your problems with an open mind and the answers will be available- and you'll be receptive when you hear them.

Above all, never stop learning!
 
ElfoodStampo

ElfoodStampo

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Yodaweed said:
You guys who don't flush are smoking chemicals that's why your ashes are black. Flushing is a very important part of growing and even feeding schedules from every reputable company show a week flush at the end. For me I flush 10 days in hydroponics with RO water, and 14 days in soil.
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This isn't necessarily true, black ash can be left from too much moisture. If you dry any weed to a crisp it will leave grey ash.
This argument is as old as weed its self.
I run low nutes, and starve/straight R/o the plants for 5 days before I chop them down, I start my 5 day count the day I find amber tric's.
 
ElfoodStampo

ElfoodStampo

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Yodaweed said:
And if you say use less nutes that's just holding your plants back if your plant can handle 1600ppm during flowering why cut it down to 400ppm so you don't have to flush. That will just decrease growth rates and yield.
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Growth is not dictated by the amount of nutrient available.
 
ElfoodStampo

ElfoodStampo

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hydroMD said:
Flushing with micro nutrients and bacteria works much better than plain water for me.

.2 ec of micro nutrients forces the plant to uptake more water trying to get nutrients to make seed if/when it is pollinated.

The bacteria will eat up the hard metals and unused npk at your root mass turning it to enzymes that will make your plant uptake even more water and "flushing" your medium at the same time.
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I'm sorry man but this is all wrong. A plant uses as much water as evaporates from the top of the plant. Its a big straw that works by the power of the sun. Adding nutes will not make the plant take in more water.
 
hydroMD

hydroMD

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ElfoodStampo said:
I'm sorry man but this is all wrong. A plant uses as much water as evaporates from the top of the plant. Its a big straw that works by the power of the sun. Adding nutes will not make the plant take in more water.
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I grow deep water culture... and have literally done multiple side by sides.

With a RH of 50% and a canopy of 78f a plant takes up more water with an ec of .2 compared to a fresh water only. That was 7/7 plants total. Riddle me that
 
hydroMD

hydroMD

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Yodaweed said:
No but it is limited by it.
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ElfoodStampo said:
Growth is not dictated by the amount of nutrient available.
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Growth is not dictated by the amount of nutrients available??????

Nutrients are definately one of many very crucial things, "dictating" growth....


While i do agree that just because a plant isnt burning, doesnt mean your not over feeding. I would think a plant stockpiles extra nutrients and hard metals lioe we do sugars and fats. Ill use the "ita easier to stay in shape than get in shape" analogy here for flushing. If you have your plant dialed in, why not just keep your hard metal excess down rather than trying to burn it off with a flush.

I usually flush no longer than a week but can never tell the differwnce between taste of test nugs and final nugs after a cure
 
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ElfoodStampo

ElfoodStampo

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With the same light and the same water, a plant with 3000 ppm of nutrient will not out perform a plant with 800 ppm.
if you change the amount of light or water to the lean the plant will suffer. Does that make more sense?
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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hydroMD said:
I grow deep water culture... and have literally done multiple side by sides.

With a RH of 50% and a canopy of 78f a plant takes up more water with an ec of .2 compared to a fresh water only. That was 7/7 plants total. Riddle me that
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Answer; osmotic pressure effects.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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ElfoodStampo said:
With the same light and the same water, a plant with 3000 ppm of nutrient will not out perform a plant with 800 ppm.
if you change the amount of light or water to the lean the plant will suffer. Does that make more sense?
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Do stay awake nights thinking shit like this up? Do you have any idea how many agricultural research studies there are that flatly contradict what you're saying?
 
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