Hey Swerve

Mozz. said:

is that like how the US couldn't touch Marc Emery because he was based in Canada?

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Emery pled guilty; basically to protect his friends and family from facing criminal charges as well.

So far as I know he didn't even try to raise a jurisdictional issue to resist US prosecution. (Well, he probably TRIED, but was told "you can bring that up at trial").

Had he fought this, American Federal charges may not have stuck.

But more to the point, Emery openly bragged about selling seeds illegally both in Canada and in the USA, and made it a point to deliberately provoke trouble along the way. Even had he beaten the American charges, he inevitably would have faced more Canadian criminal charges. Had he NOT pissed off his own gov't to begin with, they probably wouldn't have agreed to extradite him over crimes he allegedly committed outside American jurisdiction.

Unlike Emery, I don't see Swerve openly bragging about violating the law. In fact, I doubt he does at all. Swerve just sells his seeds (legally) wholesale to retailers. What they do after getting them isn't his problem!

Capt. Stickyfingers said:

I ran the pre-98 fem and it was mediocre compared to what I expected. The Larry was bomb as hell but hermed really bad. I got a good cross from the the pollen hitting my Lost Coast og though.

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Ive seen alot of the wanna be pre98 cut back BS...never as good as the original

Mozz. said:

is that like how the US couldn't touch Marc Emery because he was based in Canada?

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That's different Marc Emery wasn't producing cannibis seeds as souvenir's, he openly stated he was producing them for cultivation to help defete the US war on drugs and was mailing them to the US.

lol,thats wen i started growin wen marc emery was slingin beans.

Jogro said:

Yeah, maybe if you live in Northern CA, you can find anything you like in clone form.

But not everyone is so lucky. If you don't live in a medical state. . .good luck getting ANY clones, let alone having your pick from 20 elite strains!
Even if you live in a medical state, not all of them are quite so pot-friendly as CA or CO, and you may not have the selection of anything you like.

Even if you can find something you like in clone form, you may not be ready to start growing it yet. There are still advantages to seeds, including portability and storage.


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I dont know about you can just about find anything in nor cal? they drive down to get things like king lui x111 and thats a pritty set one hear in the south thier still on the purps air PLAIN some drive down for genetics that aint in seed form... i that for a fact.. im sure if you do your home work anyone can get just about anything.. unless he is a horter their are a few that for no mater what thier dien with that stain...

I'm no where near any clone hot spots and I have had no problems getting elite clones for the last 7 years. It's all who you know, who you meet, and how you present yourself. If you're knowledgeable and friendly and have some sort of social skills, you can find elite clone only strains anywhere in the country. They are right under your nose. Trust me. I just found a clone I lost that is super rare where I'm at from a random fellow caregiver I met. We both thought we were the only ones in the area that had it. If I looked at this dude I wouldn't know that he grows, let alone has a bunch of great clone only strains that are highly sought after.

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raiderman said:

lol,thats wen i started growin wen marc emery was slingin beans.

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Yeah my first few strains were from Marc Emery. I wish more people had balls like him!

Rare D MI said:

you can find elite clone only strains anywhere in the country.

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Have you actually travelled all over the country that you know this to be true (let alone actually scored elite clones in all 50 states)? Until you have, I don't think its fair to make this sort of statement.

What constitutes an "elite clone only" strain is somewhat subjective, but it probably IS fair to say that high-end strains (from seed and/or clone) are being GROWN all over the country. But again, good luck finding any clones of such to take home with you if you don't live in an MMJ state. If you live in a remote or rural area, forget it. The chance of you scoring an elite clone locally approaches zero.

For example, could you tell me how to find some nice rare clones in Tuscaloosa Alabama? I'm all ears!

How about in Leedey Oklahoma (population 435). Should I ask Bob at the country store when he plans to get any in stock?

They are right under your nose. Trust me. I just found a clone I lost that is super rare where I'm at from a random fellow caregiver I met.

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"Caregiver". What is this "caregiver" of which you speak?

OK, again, seriously, you might not think so living there, but Michigan is a veritable MECCA of cannabis compared to most of the country. Medical MJ is still illegal in most of the country and there are no "caregivers" nor dispensaries, nor any legal grow operations whatever. If you were growing a bunch of elite clones in many of these places, the LAST thing you'd dare do is talk about it, let alone share them with some compete stranger, no matter how cool he seemed.

If I looked at this dude I wouldn't know that he grows, let alone [that he] has a bunch of great clone only strains that are highly sought after

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Well, I don't know how you roll in Michigan, but where I come from people don't generally walk around with T-shirts emblazoned with the phrase "I grow elite marijuana clones" on them!

Again, a bit more seriously, if you can look at someone and instantly tell that they're growing, I'd say they're probably doing something REALLY wrong!

Tuco420 said:

That's different Marc Emery wasn't producing cannibis seeds as souvenir's, he openly stated he was producing them for cultivation to help defete the US war on drugs and was mailing them to the US.

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I agree, and he did a lot of other "wrong" things that way.

For example he deliberately set out to piss off the authorities in Canada by smoking pot publically, encouraging them to arrest him, and pushing the envelope in every way possible in some cases deliberately to provoke law enforcement and politicians. He also bragged about making millions of dollars selling marijuana seeds and paraphernalia.

He really drew so much attention to himself, and made so many enemies, that it was inevitable that one of his (many) busts would eventually "stick" and he'd have to do real jail time.

I give the guy credit for having gigantic brass balls, for putting himself out there as a activist and public figure, and for helping the cannabis legalization movement, but he basically did bring his arrest onto himself.

I don't see Swerve or any of the other breeders putting themselves out there in that way or doing any of those things.

Of coarse Marc was trying to get arrested. He always has been. Arrest him and let him fight it out in court to set precident. He was always willing to prevoke the hand grenade and then jump on it just so the rest of us knew we were being controlled by some cocksucker with a hand grenade. If he hadn't have been so excentric and brass about it, most of us wouldn't know who he is. "Overgrow the Government" isn't just a slogan it is an instuctional phrase on how to peacefuly win this war on drugs. If there are more plants than can destoyed then the future of MJ is solid. On the topic this thread has followed it reminds me of a Marc quote I once read. He made this quote in the early-mid 90's I believe but it sheds light on this. "THere are sativas and everything crossed with Northern Lights." Not much has changed except now there are less sativas and less diversity or stablization. I wish I could get some of his old NL crosses right about now...

Wow sorry about all the spelling. Stoned people shouldn't rant so quickly. My mind forgot to think about how words are formed :}

This is false A LOT of dispensaries are open in MI and providing clones. Arbor side in Ann arbor has a pretty wide selection if you're in on the right day.

How about long live STFU? You just basically told the world you transport across state lines or use the postal service to do the same

bundee1 said:

How about long live STFU? You just basically told the world you transport across state lines or use the postal service to do the same

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No shit. I was reading that post thinking "rule number 1, dont tell ANYONE you grow." And this dude is suggesting that not only do you go around telling people you grow but asking for clones? No, I dont know anyone to get clones from in my area before it became legalized. The reason why? I wasnt going around asking people. I have/had way too much to lose. Thanks for the advice but I will advise anyone in a illegal state to keep their mouths closed and stick to seeds.

Interpret it how you want, but I didn't say transported anything across state lines or used the postal service. I just said I never left my county. plenty of other ways to get things done.

Hmmm... I must suck.

Rare D MI said:

No but I have been living here my whole life and MMJ has only been legal for 3 years. The first clone only strain I received was from Indianapolis 7 years ago. I've gotten them from OH, NY, SC, TX, TN, AZ, WA, FL, KS, MO, CA, CO, IN, PA. I guess you guys over here at RIU don't know all of the tricks of the trade, but I have gotten elite clones from all over the country, and never left my county to do so. Long live overgrow and ICmag.

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OK, rep given.

Clearly, I do NOT know these tricks.

Help me out. Lets say someone wanted to obtain a clone of a rare strain from out of state.

How would they go about doing that?

Maybe you could give a hypothetical example describing how a hypothetical grower might have hypothetically obtained some rare strain in the past from out of State. (Not you, obviously).

Obviously, some networking is involved, but what are these tips and tricks?

Rare D MI said:

Interpret it how you want, but I didn't say transported anything across state lines or used the postal service. I just said I never left my county. plenty of other ways to get things done.

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Of course you didn't. And even if you had, obviously you wouldn't admit to it here.

But lets say, again, purely for the sake of discussion, that someone living out in the sticks in Rural Bumblescrew USA wanted to get their hands on a cut of "clone only pre -94 Super-frooty mangolicious".

How might they go about doing that?

Prove yourself, be helpful to other people. Show them that the genes you want will have a good home in your garden. If you have something you like from seed, offer it up to other people as a gift, see if it stands up to their elites. If they are impressed, people will want to give you the good plants they have. Believe it or not, a lot of people in this community are very generous. I have grown hundreds of strains, dozens of "elites" and have not paid a dime for a single clone. Only genes I've ever bought are seeds.

Build relationships with trustworthy people that put themselves out there and are open about growing. If you never talk to them,you'll never get what they have. The worst that can happen if you talk to them is they ignore you. The best is you get fire clones and a lifelong friend.