Help needed, new growth is pink???

reddiamond

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I'm having a problem with the new growth on this cutting, as you can see from the pics it has a pinkish colour, anyone had this before?

This is in coco/perlite mix in 11L fabric pot using canna nutes.
Tap water @ 110ppm
Light 250w mh at 15" on 24/0
Temps 24-26c (75-79f)
Nutes at 5.8ph 1.2EC consisting of: Magne-cal+, Canna a/b, rhizotonic, cannazym and liquid silicone.

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Cereal box

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Looks like the early stages of an N def. to me, but I'm no expert. I think some times parts will turn purple.
nitrogen def.
Plants will exhibit lack of vigor, slow growth and will be weak and stunted. Quality and yield will be significantly reduced. Older leaves become yellow (chlorotic) from lack of chlorophyll. Deficient plants will exhibit uniform light green to yellow on older leaves, these leaves may die and drop. Leaf margins will not curled up noticeably. Chlorosis will eventually spread throughout the plant. Stems, petioles and lower leaf surfaces may turn purple.
 

puffdatchronic

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Not N def dude. N def will be overall light green and yellowing lower fans that starts from the tips..

Looks more like a Mag def to me ...

"Magnesium (Mg) - Micronutrient and Mobile Element

Magnesium helps supports healthy veins while keeping a healthy leaf production and its structure. Magnesium is significant for chlorophyll-production and enzyme break downs. Magnesium which must be present in relatively large quantities for the plant to survive, but yet not to much to where it will cause the plant to show a toxicity.

Magnesium is one of the easiest deficiencies to tell… the green veins along with the yellowness of the entire surrounding leave is a dead giveaway, but sometimes that’s not always the case here. In case you have one of those where it doesn't show the green veins, sometimes leaf tips and edges may discolour and curl upward. The growing tips can turn lime green when the deficiency progresses to the top of the plant. The edges will feel like dry and crispy and usually affects the lower leaves in younger plants, then will affect the middle to upper half when it gets older, but It can also happen on older leaves as well. The deficiency will start at the tip then will take over the entire outer left and right sides of the leaves. The inner part will be yellow and or brownish in colour, followed by leaves falling without withering. The tips can also twist and turn as well as curving upwards as if you curl your tongues.

Excessive levels of magnesium in your plants will exhibit a buildup of toxic salts that will kill the leaves and lock out other nutrients like Calcium (Ca). Mg can get locked out by having too much Calcium, Chlorine or ammonium in your soil/water.
One of the worst problems a person can have is a magnesium def caused by a pH lockout. By giving it more magnesium to cure the problem when you are thinking you are doing good, but actually you are doing more harm then good. When the plants can’t take in a nutrient because of the pH being off for that element, the plant will not absorb it but it will be in the soil… therefore causing a buildup. A buildup will be noticed by the outer parts of the plant becoming whitish and or a yellowish color. The tips and part way in on the inner leaves will die and feel like glass. Parts affected by Magnesium deficiency are: space between the veins (Interveinal) of older leaves; may begin around interior perimeter of leaf.

Problems with Magnesium being locked out by pH troubles

Light Acid Soils, soils with excessive potassium, calcium and or phosphorus

Soil

Magnesium gets locked out of soil growing at pH levels of 2.0-6.4
Magnesium is absorbed best in soil at a pH level of 6.5-9.1 . (Wouldn’t recommend having a pH of over 7.0 in soil) anything out of the ranges listed will contribute to a Magnesium deficiency.

Hydro and Soil less Mediums

Magnesium gets locked out of Hydro and Soil less Mediums at pH levels of 2.0-5.7
Magnesium is absorbed best in Hydro and Soil less Mediums at pH levels of 5.8-9.1
(Wouldn’t recommend having a pH over 6.5 in hydro and soil less mediums.) Best range for hydro and soil less mediums is 5.0 to 6.0. Anything out of the ranges listed will contribute to a Magnesium deficiency.

Solution to fixing a Magnesium deficiency
Any Chemical/Organic nutrients that have Magnesium in them will fix a Magnesium deficiency. (Only mixing at ½ strength when using chemical nutrients or it will cause nutrient burn!)
Other nutrients that have magnesium in them are: Epsom salts, which is fast absorption. Dolomite lime and or garden lime (same thing just called different) which is slow absorption. Sulfate of Potash, Magnesia which is medium absorption. Worm Castings, which is slow absorption. Crabshell which is slow absorption. Earth Juice Microblast, which is fast acting. (a must buy!! Has lots of 2ndary nutrients).
Now if you added to much chemical nutrients and or organics,( which is hard to burn your plants when using organics) You need to Flush the soil with plain water. You need to use 2 times as much water as the size of the pot, for example: If you have a 5 gallon pot and need to flush it, you need to use 10 gallons of water to rinse out the soil good enough to get rid of excessive nutrients.

Picture one shows a mid grade magnesium deficiency.

(Picture 1 is Mine)
 

reddiamond

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Well as i have very soft water i am adding magne-cal+ to it so it should have enough magnesium although the leaf pic you showed does look similar to mine but mine is with flash on my camera, they look darker in real life.

A couple of close-ups

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reddiamond

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This is how Molybdenum deficiency looks like. I would consider this because of the pink shade. Otherwise - It resembles Magnesium.
Thanks, i dont think its this though as it is just on the new growth.
"Molybdenum deficiency will usually show up in the older to middle aged leaves, then it moves to the young leaves. Generally a molybdenum deficiency occurs when sulfur and phosphorus are deficient."

Thats 3 that have mentioned mg def, think i'll get some epsom salts and foliar spray to see if that helps :)
 

jackm420

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some plants have different coloring to them at times. my dutch passion mazar had that issue but the plants are very very healthy and grow like weeds lol
 

reddiamond

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Hey there, I would feed it Bloom nutes for phosphor. Spray cal mag too
As i'm feeding canna coco a/b nutes they dont have a veg/bloom mix, its the same all the way through so there should be enough phosphorous in them, should i add a little pk13/14 and feed it with that?
 

reddiamond

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Well it didn't getting any better and had pretty much stopped growing, i needed the space so yesterday i killed it.
 

ghb

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were you giving it 4ml per l of a and b? it just looked like the e.c was too low to me.
 

reddiamond

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were you giving it 4ml per l of a and b? it just looked like the e.c was too low to me.
No, 3ml per l, it was a clone from my plants in my 2nd grow and they had the same nute mix at the same ph and they vegged fine and are currently in flower.
Do you think 1.2 EC is low for vegging plants, i was checking the run-off and it was around 1 - 1.1 so i figured it was about right?
 

tikitoker

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I think those are called "hash tips" and are caused by too much light. *** Not a bad thing at all. It's generally very hard to the touch and has no specific growth pattern. It is essentially an accumulation/concentration of resin glands and gets you very high. A true gem to any connessiours garden and a tasty treat for the grower. Good job red, very nice looking.
 

reddiamond

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They are quite hard to the touch and make my fingers very sticky so i try not to touch them too much in case i waste all those trichs :)
 
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