For those who transplant - do I go straight from cell pack to my finishing 3gal pot?

Budzbuddha

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ZookieBoy said:
The problem is that yes transplanting can be beneficial. But you only have a small amount of time the plant is in veg/flower so why would you want to quite literally waste days the plant is having to recover and spends days just to get back to how it was. where as those days it is recovering it is not growing at the same rate as it would if it wasn’t shocked. Like idk how many times I have to reiterate it. It’s simple. With photos transplant as much as you like because guess what there’s not time period that those plants have to flip that recovery time can be made up for with extra veg.. with autos they only have X amount of days to veg and X amount to flower. So with less transplant shock and recovery time the plant can spend its what little life it has actually growing. Just because you have a big stalk and thick crotches doesn’t just show that transplanting is better. Because on the end of those big branches are little guys which is ok but if we are talking about truly what is best for the plant and overall health and yield it’s kinda obvious that you want to minimize the amount of transplants And true forms of shock to your auto.
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Absolutely wrong …..

You can top , FIM , super crop / bonzai and LST autos ….
Yes you can get weak ass strains ( breeder bunk ) but by transplanting you WILL get a stronger more vigorous plant.
Autos from say 20 years were weak ass / unstable shit ….. more modern offerings are line worked and much more consistent.
Running autos straight seed to soil almost guarantees a less stellar plant under most circumstances….. How many noobs start an auto in a final pot , overwater it ( because of bigger container and plant is seedling size ) , overnute it and end up with 4” plants.

Running autos isn’t rocket science …. The key is getting the biggest rootmass upfront / structure before plant triggers preflower.

Autos can get bigger than most people think.

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ZookieBoy

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Did I mention anything about not TOPPING ? No strictly talking about doing multiple up potting during a auto grow
 
Budzbuddha

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“with autos they only have X amount of days to veg and X amount to flower. So with less transplant shock and recovery time the plant can spend its what little life it has actually growing.”


Rrrriggghhhtt .
 
ZookieBoy

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ZookieBoy said:
Did I mention anything about not TOPPING ? No strictly talking about doing multiple up potting during a auto grow
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And it’s more for the novice auto grower / first timers I would recommend less transplanting because not everyone knows how to properly transplant or even knows what mycorrhiza is.. so it’s just smart to recommend going from a cell pot or solo to the final would you agree ?
 
ZookieBoy

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Dude what?? Autos and tomato’s do not have the same timeline during there life cycle. Like I’m not saying a transplant is going to ruin your grow or that transplanting autos is taboo .. it’s about the amount of transplants and times you are halting growth and the plant is having to recover
 
Dorian2

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ZookieBoy said:
Dude what?? Autos and tomato’s do not have the same timeline during there life cycle. Like I’m not saying a transplant is going to ruin your grow or that transplanting autos is taboo .. it’s about the amount of transplants and times you are halting growth and the plant is having to recover
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Depends if they're determinate or indeterminate species bro.
 
Budzbuddha

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ZookieBoy said:
Dude what?? Autos and tomato’s do not have the same timeline during there life cycle. Like I’m not saying a transplant is going to ruin your grow or that transplanting autos is taboo .. it’s about the amount of transplants and times you are halting growth and the plant is having to recover
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Wrong again ….

You can transplant multiple times even in flower . Flowering also continues rooting.
Life cycle makes zero difference. Been there done that with solo start - 1 gallon to 3 or 5.
Matter of fact …. You can start an auto in coco , transplant that plug into either a Hempy bucket / bigger COCO up pot or soil container with no problems. No slowdowns - no drama.
 
ZookieBoy

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Dorian2 said:
What do you mean "that late into flower"? As far as the other post, how long before these Auto's are done?
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I don’t know what strain or how long they are suppose to flower for so I can’t give you a number but they are clearly switched to flower. Once they are flowering you don’t want to do any heavy pruning because that will 1. Not be able to grow back everything growth wise is officially done so you have lost bud doing that. And the common idea and practice of topping is that the energy will now go to the other branches which is true but when it’s done flower you can actually stunt the growth of your buds
Budzbuddha said:
Wrong again ….

You can transplant multiple times even in flower . Flowering also continues rooting.
Life cycle makes zero difference. Been there done that with solo start - 1 gallon to 3 or 5.
Matter of fact …. You can start an auto in coco , transplant that plug into either a Hempy bucket / bigger COCO up pot or soil container with no problems. No slowdowns - no drama.
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Transplanting an auto during flower ? Oy vey:wall:
 
Dorian2

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@ZookieBoy are you just assuming that I topped during flower? I said the back plant that's just starting pre flower was topped 2 days ago. The other 2 were topped @ 3 weeks. I'll give you the haha for the determinate/indeterminate though. A big part of that is dependent not only on the theoretical lifespan of the Tomato plants but on the growing zone itself as well. They aren't perennial in my region.
 
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Star Dog

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Budzbuddha said:
Ok ….. Let’s put the nail in the coffin on this subject .

This is for ANY PLANT - Autoflower or Photo ……. Soil Grows

Lets follow along ….

A . This represents the “ best “ way to transplant whether you are moving a simple solo start / 1 gallon up pot or starting container
into a larger or FINAL size pot. Your starting container will make the plug ( with early rooting forming / circling bottom ) . That plug
will be transplanted into next container.

As you can see rootmass will not shoot straight to bottom as with “ no transplant “ plants.
Rootmass will begin to root out laterally and widen out. This allows more feeder roots to form and seek moisture.
You will get better rooting / bigger plants and less medium waste. Autos can be transplanted just like any other plant.
Forget the Broscience bullshit …..

This is also a fantastic way to up pot a rooted clone into a 1 gallon grow bag and run a SOG setup.


B. This the common straight seed to container grow ….. you will see that the emerging tap root will head straight down then circle bottom with less lateral branching. Rootmass ( especially AUTOS with their LIMITED VEGGING ) will have a less chance to setup a proper rootmass ( in soil grows ) . Hempy / DWC starts don’t seem to have this issue as compared to soil grows. Forget planting autos in final container from the start …. you will handicap it right from the start .

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bongsmilie
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Is that from you tube or similar?

A clone has roots out of bottom and sides within 10-12 days of potting into a 10ltr

Then taking the root ball apart it can break up in layers where it's been re potted, a straight to final gives one huge dense af root ball.
 
Budzbuddha

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Star Dog said:
Is that from you tube or similar?

A clone has roots out of bottom and sides within 10-12 days of potting into a 10ltr

Then taking the root ball apart it can break up in layers where it's been re potted, a straight to final gives one huge dense af root ball.
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No I found that illustration from 2017 ( spliff ) …..
 
twentyeight.threefive

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Transplanting correctly doesn't stunt or delay autos despite what @ZookieBoy learned on YouTube.

@Budzbuddha I already tried to explain the benefits of uppotting in regards to a healthy rootball but he just doesn't get it. He's convinced he knows better and will never change his mind or admit he's wrong. He's one of those kind of people.
 
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Humanrob

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Budzbuddha said:
Ok ….. Let’s put the nail in the coffin on this subject .

This is for ANY PLANT - Autoflower or Photo ……. Soil Grows

Lets follow along ….

A . This represents the “ best “ way to transplant whether you are moving a simple solo start / 1 gallon up pot or starting container
into a larger or FINAL size pot. Your starting container will make the plug ( with early rooting forming / circling bottom ) . That plug
will be transplanted into next container.

As you can see rootmass will not shoot straight to bottom as with “ no transplant “ plants.
Rootmass will begin to root out laterally and widen out. This allows more feeder roots to form and seek moisture.
You will get better rooting / bigger plants and less medium waste. Autos can be transplanted just like any other plant.
Forget the Broscience bullshit …..

This is also a fantastic way to up pot a rooted clone into a 1 gallon grow bag and run a SOG setup.


B. This the common straight seed to container grow ….. you will see that the emerging tap root will head straight down then circle bottom with less lateral branching. Rootmass ( especially AUTOS with their LIMITED VEGGING ) will have a less chance to setup a proper rootmass ( in soil grows ) . Hempy / DWC starts don’t seem to have this issue as compared to soil grows. Forget planting autos in final container from the start …. you will handicap it right from the start .

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bongsmilie
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Very clear and informative post, thanks for that.

Question; do you think that this illustration of root growth would also apply to fabric pots? I've never gotten bottom-centric root growth with them the way I have with plastic pots. So I guess I'm wondering if you think this would be true (or as true?) if I direct planted into a fabric (or air) pot?
 
Budzbuddha

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Humanrob said:
Very clear and informative post, thanks for that.

Question; do you think that this illustration of root growth would also apply to fabric pots? I've never gotten bottom-centric root growth with them the way I have with plastic pots. So I guess I'm wondering if you think this would be true (or as true?) if I direct planted into a fabric (or air) pot?
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i am guessing this illustration is just a generalized view of up potting. I would think a more aerated container like fabric / airpot / etc. would allow similar rooting advantages. I never really was a fan of fabric myself , for other reasons.

I went all hempy now - so no drama with any of it .
lol.
 
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