Frosty McNuggets
New Member
Hi guys, Im new to growing and to Rollitup (as a poster, at least), but Ive got my first grow going and I wanted both to share it with you guys and to get some help with some issues Ive had so far.
As I mentioned, this is my first grow, but Ive put a LOT of time and research into preparing for it, and Im trying to be as thorough as I can without going completely all-out.
Right now Ive got six plants, all grown from seed. The plants are about two months old from germination. Four of the plants are high CBD Sage n Sour, one is an MK Ultra and one is a Kali Mist. Some more info about the grow:
Alright, so my plants were doing great up until just before the third nutrient application, which was about two weeks ago now. Shortly before that nutrient application, we started to have some problems. The bottom leaves of the MK Ultra and a couple of the CBD plants started to yellow, especially in between the veins. Here are a couple shots of the MK just before the third nute application. You can see that it looks pretty healthy overall, but the yellowing between the veins is starting. It was more obvious in person than it looks in these shots. I dont have any shots of the CBD plants from this time, but they looked the same as the MK Ultra:
I did some research and found that yellowing between the veins is a sign of magnesium deficiency (which additionally made sense to me because I didnt have any dolomite to mix into the soil even though the instructions I went off of called for it). We took some USP Epsom salts that we had on hand and mixed them up @ 1tsp/gal. in a spray bottle and sprayed the plants just before the lights went out for a few days.
The Kali Mist plant at this point looked better than the others. Its bottom leaves were showing some slight yellowing (hard to see in these shots) and its top leaves were curled up a little, but other than that it seemed okay. It got a foliar application of the Epsom salts as well, but only once or twice compared to I think four times for the other plants. Here is the Kali Mist at the start:
Five days after these photos, the Kali Mist was having the worst problems. The bottom leaves were mottled with necrotic brown spots. Most of the spots were in random places on the leaves, but one leaf was dying from the tip towards the middle. The plant overall was droopy. The bottom leaves were continuing to yellow. The stem was streaked with purple and the petioles were turning purple. Here it is at that stage (the purple stem shot is actually from later when it was even worse, but you get the picture):
As this progressed, the Kali declined at a steady rate. Here are some progress shots of its downfall, over about 5 days:
Over that time, the other plants have been getting worse too, but they dont show all the same symptoms. The MK Ultra sort of stabilized for a while, then it started down the same path as the Kali with necrotic spots on the leaves that start at the bottom and move up.
The CBD plants started to show a mottled purple bruising on the bottom leaves., and then recently theyve started showing the spots too. The pictures here show the bruising pattern well, but the color is much more purplish in person than this shows:
They've also started getting the necrotic spots on top of the brusing:
And heres the MK as it got worse:
Okay, so all of those pictures out of the way, here are the things I did that I think potentially might have caused it. Basically these are the only areas in which Ive strayed from the way everyone says you should do things:
Ive got some dolomite and worm castings coming tomorrow, and I figure that whatever the problem is, theres something bad wrong with the media theyre currently in so Im planning to transplant them to bigger pots. Im planning to mix in some dolomite and worm castings with the Sunshine #4 Mix, and apply EJ Grow, Cat, Microblast, and Hi-Brix molasses at 2.5mL/gal., and some Hygrozyme maybe as well. Also planning to use some spring water from the grocery store instead of tap for the time being. Does that seem like a decent plan to you guys? What do you think is the ultimate source of this? Ive tried to grow with close attention to detail and without making the newbie mistakes of overwatering or overfeeding, but obviously Im still doing something bad wrong!
Thanks you guys so much for your help and also Im planning to put together a full grow log showing more of our grow tent and the progress of these plants as they either recover or we start a new batch if needed, so be on the lookout for that as well. =)
As I mentioned, this is my first grow, but Ive put a LOT of time and research into preparing for it, and Im trying to be as thorough as I can without going completely all-out.
Right now Ive got six plants, all grown from seed. The plants are about two months old from germination. Four of the plants are high CBD Sage n Sour, one is an MK Ultra and one is a Kali Mist. Some more info about the grow:
- Growing Indoor
- 400w MH light in a sealed and vented hood
- Plant age: 2 months from seed
- Consistent 79-81 degrees F with 30-40% relative humidity, temp drops to around 65-68 with lights off
- Growing media: Sunshine Mix #4, unamended
- Watering schedule: approx. once a week, using tap water (tested @ 165ppm on TDS meter, 7.2 pH)
- Nutrients: Earth Juice Grow, Catalyst, Microblast and later Hi-Brix Mollases 5mL/gal. each, applied approx. once per week through a nutrient tea thats brewed for about 2 days.
Alright, so my plants were doing great up until just before the third nutrient application, which was about two weeks ago now. Shortly before that nutrient application, we started to have some problems. The bottom leaves of the MK Ultra and a couple of the CBD plants started to yellow, especially in between the veins. Here are a couple shots of the MK just before the third nute application. You can see that it looks pretty healthy overall, but the yellowing between the veins is starting. It was more obvious in person than it looks in these shots. I dont have any shots of the CBD plants from this time, but they looked the same as the MK Ultra:
I did some research and found that yellowing between the veins is a sign of magnesium deficiency (which additionally made sense to me because I didnt have any dolomite to mix into the soil even though the instructions I went off of called for it). We took some USP Epsom salts that we had on hand and mixed them up @ 1tsp/gal. in a spray bottle and sprayed the plants just before the lights went out for a few days.
The Kali Mist plant at this point looked better than the others. Its bottom leaves were showing some slight yellowing (hard to see in these shots) and its top leaves were curled up a little, but other than that it seemed okay. It got a foliar application of the Epsom salts as well, but only once or twice compared to I think four times for the other plants. Here is the Kali Mist at the start:
Five days after these photos, the Kali Mist was having the worst problems. The bottom leaves were mottled with necrotic brown spots. Most of the spots were in random places on the leaves, but one leaf was dying from the tip towards the middle. The plant overall was droopy. The bottom leaves were continuing to yellow. The stem was streaked with purple and the petioles were turning purple. Here it is at that stage (the purple stem shot is actually from later when it was even worse, but you get the picture):
As this progressed, the Kali declined at a steady rate. Here are some progress shots of its downfall, over about 5 days:
Over that time, the other plants have been getting worse too, but they dont show all the same symptoms. The MK Ultra sort of stabilized for a while, then it started down the same path as the Kali with necrotic spots on the leaves that start at the bottom and move up.
The CBD plants started to show a mottled purple bruising on the bottom leaves., and then recently theyve started showing the spots too. The pictures here show the bruising pattern well, but the color is much more purplish in person than this shows:
They've also started getting the necrotic spots on top of the brusing:
And heres the MK as it got worse:
Okay, so all of those pictures out of the way, here are the things I did that I think potentially might have caused it. Basically these are the only areas in which Ive strayed from the way everyone says you should do things:
- Before I applied the 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] round of nutrients (the round that came right after the initial set of photos), I didnt have any organic pH adjusters, so I applied around 1mL/gal of some rice vinegar that I had to some nutrient tea and was surprised that it was more than I needed, bringing the nutrient solution to a pH of 5.6. I knew that pH was low, but I also knew the growing media was a little high, and I didnt want to waste the nutrient tea Id just brewed so I went ahead and applied the nutes. My runoff pH to 6.2, obviously on the low side, but I didnt think it was low enough to cause anything like this. In retrospect, this is the biggest example where I strayed from the path, so I think I couldve shocked the plants with a wide pH swing, but if so, why didnt they start getting much worse until 5 days after applying the nutes? Why were they also starting to show symptoms before the application of the nutes? Beats me.
- I didnt use any dolomite lime or worm castings in the original mix like the instructions I followed called for. We tried to supplement magnesium through the foliar feeding, but with all the other issues the plants have had I dont think this is just a magnesium problem.
- Our tap water might be bad. Weve noticed that our humidifier aka bowl of water that we leave out is also filled with tap water, and when it all evaporates theres a LOT of residue left in the tank. Not sure if maybe thats building up in the soil and causing problems. I tested the tap water with a TDS meter @ 165ppm, so it doesnt read as being too bad, but its possible I suppose.
Ive got some dolomite and worm castings coming tomorrow, and I figure that whatever the problem is, theres something bad wrong with the media theyre currently in so Im planning to transplant them to bigger pots. Im planning to mix in some dolomite and worm castings with the Sunshine #4 Mix, and apply EJ Grow, Cat, Microblast, and Hi-Brix molasses at 2.5mL/gal., and some Hygrozyme maybe as well. Also planning to use some spring water from the grocery store instead of tap for the time being. Does that seem like a decent plan to you guys? What do you think is the ultimate source of this? Ive tried to grow with close attention to detail and without making the newbie mistakes of overwatering or overfeeding, but obviously Im still doing something bad wrong!
Thanks you guys so much for your help and also Im planning to put together a full grow log showing more of our grow tent and the progress of these plants as they either recover or we start a new batch if needed, so be on the lookout for that as well. =)