Fast growth 24/7

Uberknot

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How long do those usually last? Here in the US they rip us off for those a bit.

All that capitalism...oh ok I found some of that stuff in 25-50 lb bags.

I think I'll pick some up and give it try.

Hmm even have some kids of silica kitty litter.
 
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SPLFreak808

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Getting a humidifier to put in the tent soon...

It all depends on if I just watered, rained outside, etc...

Like the last couple days humidity stayed 50-60% and that's as low as it gets this time of year. During the summer it did get down to the 35-50% range. I think when the fans just circulate air around the middle it keep the moisture lower and the dry air from the lights stays higher and gets exhausted. When I point a fan down between the plants it seems to suck dryer air from the lights down through the bottom area.....it's such a small area 2x2x5.5 Just having rain outside can jack the humidity or even fog. Anyhow I will have to get a Humidifier to put in the tent....In the winter or when we start using gas heat that should dry the air some and help. I have an AC in the room and when I run it it helps but temps are in the low 70's now during the day and frequent rain and can't use it. I wish I lived somewhere dry....cheaper to add humidity than to remove it.
I know what you mean when it rains outside it just jacks the house RH up and an a/c will just make it too cold for optimal growth..

Honestly i have recently switched to a sealed room setup and i swear keeping everything stable seems so much easier for me.
Imo if you do shoot for a sealed environment then dont use too big of an a/c and it will draw a good amount of moisture without excessively cooling the room then all you would need is a humidifier for summer if even needed
 

Bangaman

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Would i get fast growth with my light on all the time
DUE TO LACK OF TRUE KNOWLEDGE, THIS MAY SOUND COUNTER INTUITIVE BUT YOU SAVE OVER $50 WITH 1000 WATT LAMPS BY VEGGING LONGER DAYLIGHT HOURS.

First it ALSO depends on many factors, Biotic factors (nute schedule, genetics, nute type, etc) and abiotic factors (pests, temp, wind, hunidity etc. Then you have to know peak levels of all limiting factors, when they occur during the day, during the life cycle etc. This is why it is a good idea to grow the same strain for a while, even if you vary many other strains, at least study one that you master well. I know one of my strains so well, I can toy with the growth, nute regimen etc and actually give the smoker a different high experience each crop with the same strain. Sometimes, it is all I need cause the base of the high is the same, some people like one strain and simply need a slight variance every so often without changing an entire plant type.

That said, know when to orchestrate all your limiting factors to maximize your photosynthetic rate, and nute assimilation for max dry weight and quality bud. There is no strait answer to your question. I can only give you a general guide. It is long but once you get it, you will conclude for yourself based on your factors in your grow environment. The general things will be the same though, like ups in downs in cost.

You may ask why I went in such detail well I am writting a book on Cannabis growing so this is actually something I have done over and over to make sure I nailed it before publishing and looking like a fool. This is 10 harvest, minimum 20 plants a a harvest, almost a year (I have a crop a month). Now, I did take measurements each of the 20 plants for a total of minimum 20 X 10 = 200 plants, though a few months I did 25. I simply made this experiment part of my routine in order to take away stress.

Objective of the experiment was to nail down the difference in cost between 24 hour vegging versus 18 and I used my 12 hour flowering as a control because all crops go through that. I also Measured quality marketable bud size, and quality dry weight because it is worthless gardening without the end product in mind. Less Popcorn, more money, period, and knowing your strains natural water weight and how to keep this in check is very important. Water to plants, is like fat to humans. You want "lean" plants so you have high dry weight.. Large Buds at harvest time does not always translate to large dry weight or quality bud.

So, I went out a purchased a an instrument to measure my KW/h consumption per appliance for $7 at the Home Depot.
I then measured several factors during the Veg periods. Because flowering 12/12 is universal to all my strains, I used the 12/12 time as my control and took relevant measurements there too (Mainly flower growth rate, marketable size bud percentage)

I am still working on interpreting the results as you can see in the images, I have a sleuth of interesting and useful findings. Some flat out awesome but not so relevant to the experiment.

You will see in the tables that
Basically, based on my usage, growth rate and all, I save $53.35 +/- $5 vegging 24 versus 18 hour days but lose about 11 production days each time due to a reduced growth rate at 18 hour days compared to 24 hour days.
This is over 10 harvests and over 200 plants. I intend to take this research to 1000 plants eventually.
I concluded that the hypothesis that Vegging under 18 hour light does not advantage you to anything but wastes time to market and money. Therefore I concluded that this hypothesis STATISTICAL WATERS on its own, hands down. Basically by vegging 18 hours you are really trading about 2 weeks of production time and spending about an 1/8 worth of weed you could make up by selling shake, really, is spending $52.35 a month worth it for me and to pad 2 weeks to reach my target veg height of 28 inches at that? Hell NO!

PS, all plants photosynthesis equally during the dark cycle *the only CO2 fixation going on at night when lights are out. So you have to realize that plants that receive 24 hour darkness, not only eat 25% more because the dark cycle of CO2 Fixation is an evolutionary trait to compensate for the lack of available light for Co2 Fixation during the dark ,and therefore, plants under 24 hour lighting not only feed 25% extra, the grow at a rate to the power slightly to the 3rd times faster over time because if I had to really be more technical, since growth rate is exponential to feeding rate^3.

To save time I posted a screen shot from Wikipedia: for all you math lovers. Look at the numbers, vegging less time costs you more money
 

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Bangaman

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P.S. You are suffocating your plants by turning off CO2 at lights out (HAHAHAHAHHAAH) You fools must thank me for this info, hahahahahahah.

Also, you do not need a sealed room to maximize CO2

Think of this:All at Standard Temp and Pressure
Specific Gravity of Air Kg/m^3 = 1.293
Carbon dioxide CO2 = 1.9772
Carbon Monoxide CO = 1.25
Propane C3H8 = 1.882

Now, we hope any fool knows propane and CO can and does build up to lethal levels with all doors wide open. Now CO is much much lighter than CO2, what makes you think it will all escape through a tiny crack in your tent, FOOL?

Fluid dynamics dictates that at a constant rate, a body of fluid (Gas, Liquid, or Ether) behaves as a single mass. Therefore your CO2 will drop to your plants if released at a constant rate. Meaning if you do your physics rights, you can supplement your outdoor garden with CO2. How do you think the Germans OR OTHER CHEMICAL WARFARE INVOLVING GASSES kill people? FOOLS!

Some folks will dispute these basic elementary realities because it will mean they have been doing and preaching the wrong t hing for years. Who hate being wrong and defends bad things? FOOLS only
 
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Bangaman

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Since cannabis is a c3 plant, how is co2 absorbed at night?

Good question. The term C3, C4 and CAM Photosynthesis or Crassulacean acid metabolism refer to the usage of light during photosynthesis.

There are 2 biochemical processes that fix CO2 based on their energy sources. Once occurs in the presence of light, called The Light Cycle. The other occurs in the absence of light, called the dark cycle. Both take place 24/7/365.

I ma so Sorry your college prof lied to you or did not know. The cycle name refers to weither the process uses photon energy from sunlight or drains energy from chemical processes in the plant using enzymes. One will take place at a faster rate than the other depending on the energy requirements of the CO2 Fixation.

At night, plans drain energy to produce the photons to continue fixing C02. This slows down growth because it diverts energy reserves from other processes. When under 24 hour light, the plant uses less energy for energy draining processes like the dark cycle and hence growth rate is faster.

Do not confuse growth rate with "BOLTING". Once flowering is triggered, the plants stop all vegetative growth. Consider bolting a form of erection liek clitorial or penile errection. No new tissue is actually being created, the plant is simply positioning itself to facilitate pollination. Healthy plants have bigger clitorises and bolt bigger, and vice versa. (hence the myth to interrupt bolting by various means actually reduced flower size).

The true supper stars are C4 plants like corn and sugar cane, have the C$ pathwayt in addition to the dark cycle makes them grow upper fast as they sparingly use the dark cycle due to the C$ pathways of their light cycle.

C3 plants have a maximum threshhold for the intensity of light they can use. Once the threshhold is exceeded C3 plants start breathing like humans, wasting valuable CO2. C4 Plants are like competitive eaters, they have an extra proicess to fix all the CO2 that comes through.

Your question is very relevant because in a way, it highlights the need for a 24 hour light period for accelerated growth.

It also helps clarify what I meant when I said under 24 hour light plants grow faster, healthier because there is one less energy draining process going on and they eat 24/7/365 if the light intensity is within their limits (for C3 and CAM plants).
 
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Bangaman

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C3, C4 and cam refers the the number of chemical process that CO2 goes through before it is fixed. Some processes need light, others do not, hence Dark and Light Cycles. The terms do not refer to weather the processes take place at night or day. It refers to the source of energy to drive the processes.
 

Bangaman

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By the way, Cassava, or Yucca Esculante is actually Cannabis 2.0 on an evolutionary scale, this big brother or cousin of cannabis actually has a c4 cycle like corn or sugar cane. I Believe evolutionary, all plants will become C4 Plants as a mechanism to fight green house gases, extra radiation etc
 

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xmatox

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C3, C4 and cam refers the the number of chemical process that CO2 goes through before it is fixed. Some processes need light, others do not, hence Dark and Light Cycles. The terms do not refer to weather the processes take place at night or day. It refers to the source of energy to drive the processes.
I've got some professor correcting to do!!! lol Thanks for all the info
 

jswett1100

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Got my veg room on 24/7 with the clones,600w led, half it on half of the power. growth is very fast with close nodes but im really doing it until the clones are full developed to throw them on 18/6
 

HydoDan

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I always veg at 24/7 for at least 3 weeks... kept a mother for 13 months on 24/7..
they must not require that much rest!!
 
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