Examples of GOP Leadership

Roger A. Shrubber · Feb 1, 2023

https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/01/us/college-board-ap-african-american-studies/index.html

Gov. DeSantis told reporters last week the decision was made because it included the study of “queer theory” and political movements that advocated for “abolishing prisons.”
“That’s a political agenda,” DeSantis said at a news conference in Jacksonville. “That’s the wrong side of the line for Florida standards. We believe in teaching kids facts and how to think, but we don’t believe they should have an agenda imposed on them when you try to use Black history to shoehorn in queer theory, you are clearly trying to use that for political purposes.”

WTF is Queer Theory? do i have to subscribe to both the lgbtq+ news letter AND the fucked up fascist news letter to keep up with this shit?
has anyone pointed out to desantis that his "education plan" is nothing but a political agenda, designed to produce more fascists?
States rights should be limited, and Education should be part of the federal agenda, with states having NO control at all.
the whole states right movement is just another republican plan to take control they don't deserve, and force minority rule on the majority that doesn't want fuck all to do with them.

compassionateExotic · Feb 1, 2023

MTG showing action, her actions of BS

printer · Feb 1, 2023

PadawanWarrior said:
I'm not saying Trump is a great guy. He should be investigated too, but the democrats have been investigating him for years and it's getting boring now. I don't think Trump and Putin were ever making out though,

Boring? So just drop it?

Where is the evidence on Biden? I have muddied myself at Newsmax along with other "news" outlets that lean 'right'. I read their claims and then start googling to find any proof of the claims. So far I have not seen what is so obvious to the right wing crowd. If you have something why not share it?

cannabineer · Feb 1, 2023

cannabineer said:
Well, well. Perhaps the third rail of American politics is getting some volts back.

McCarthy: Social Security, Medicare cuts ‘off the table’

Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) said ahead of a meeting with President Biden this week that cuts to Medicare and Social Security are off the table in talks around raising the debt limit. McCarthy…

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never mind

White House blasts McCarthy for comments on strengthening Social Security, Medicare

The White House hit back after Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) said he wants to “strengthen” Medicare and Social Security, arguing on Sunday that the House GOP leader and his conference actually …

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Bagginski · Feb 1, 2023

Maybe not my best presentation, but…I first became aware of *right-wing* interest in changing the constitution, back during the 1st Reagan term…and I only just became aware of Charles Koch’s involvement in such efforts in the last few years - which very much included learning about the creator of modern libertarian crackpot economics & author of the Chilean constitution I mentioned, James Buchanan.

Plus, you may remember things were moving fast then…and some thoughts coalesce at different speeds

to be clear(er): my point was NOT that KochCadreBros had that as their specific intention, but they did have the larger goal of creating circumstances in which the country could be hijacked & run by/for wealth; my point was that AS THINGS CAME TOGETHER, that scenario I sketched out looked truly plausible before the midterm blew it out of the water & out of reach given the dynamics of the moment. It’s not important whether that had always been (or ever become) the primary focus: much more important that such a golden opportunity showed itself out of nowhere - and that its electoral collapse didn’t change anything material for the various overthrow factions.

With or without Trump, THE IMPULSE HAS BEEN FESTERING, GROWING, FOR A VERY LONG TIME: you can pick a variety of ‘starting points’, from 1619 to George Floyd, from Brown v Board of Education to “tax cuts don’t HAVE to be paid for!” The Powell memo, the start of The Moral Majority, Inc, Poindexter’s collusion w/ Ailes & Murdoch to establish the ideologically conservative media bubble centered on Fox News, the rise of Rove & that other guy (drawing a blank, sorry, NORQUIST - Grover, that’s him), McConnell’s weaponization of the senate for the packing of US courts. Lots of key moments and events, all of them illuminating in their own ways.

The core allegiance, to the erasure of “liberal America”, has been center-focus for every scurrilous pseudo-patriotic wave that’s swept through the media, the wrong-wing noise-o-sphere, every trash-panda YouTube channel, every newly-minted “fresh-blood” carbon-copy ‘conservatives’ campaigner since Reagan.

The damage has been cumulative: fixing the obvious stuff in play will leave much of the prior enabling damage to remain unexplored (press of events), and any we don’t nail shut will become avenues of threat in the future: the greatest lesson in all this may be how easy it is to booby-trap a complex set-up like ours - and how seriously we must take the obligation to, um, build back better than we were & it was.

Bagginski · Feb 1, 2023

schuylaar said:
Democracy won out- they'll never have that shot again..I'm not going to get into Trumps Billionaire Friendly Tax Cut or anything else he did to lick their assess since he thought he was one of them- they used his ass to the nth level. Jokes on you Trump.

Still up to *US*, but yeah

DIY-HP-LED · Feb 1, 2023

Bagginski said:
Maybe not my best presentation, but…I first became aware of *right-wing* interest in changing the constitution, back during the 1st Reagan term…and I only just became aware of Charles Koch’s involvement in such efforts in the last few years - which very much included learning about the creator of modern libertarian crackpot economics & author of the Chilean constitution I mentioned, James Buchanan.

Plus, you may remember things were moving fast then…and some thoughts coalesce at different speeds

to be clear(er): my point was NOT that KochCadreBros had that as their specific intention, but they did have the larger goal of creating circumstances in which the country could be hijacked & run by/for wealth; my point was that AS THINGS CAME TOGETHER, that scenario I sketched out looked truly plausible before the midterm blew it out of the water & out of reach given the dynamics of the moment. It’s not important whether that had always been (or ever become) the primary focus: much more important that such a golden opportunity showed itself out of nowhere - and that its electoral collapse didn’t change anything material for the various overthrow factions.

With or without Trump, THE IMPULSE HAS BEEN FESTERING, GROWING, FOR A VERY LONG TIME: you can pick a variety of ‘starting points’, from 1619 to George Floyd, from Brown v Board of Education to “tax cuts don’t HAVE to be paid for!” The Powell memo, the start of The Moral Majority, Inc, Poindexter’s collusion w/ Ailes & Murdoch to establish the ideologically conservative media bubble centered on Fox News, the rise of Rove & that other guy (drawing a blank, sorry, NORQUIST - Grover, that’s him), McConnell’s weaponization of the senate for the packing of US courts. Lots of key moments and events, all of them illuminating in their own ways.

The core allegiance, to the erasure of “liberal America”, has been center-focus for every scurrilous pseudo-patriotic wave that’s swept through the media, the wrong-wing noise-o-sphere, every trash-panda YouTube channel, every newly-minted “fresh-blood” carbon-copy ‘conservatives’ campaigner since Reagan.

The damage has been cumulative: fixing the obvious stuff in play will leave much of the prior enabling damage to remain unexplored (press of events), and any we don’t nail shut will become avenues of threat in the future: the greatest lesson in all this may be how easy it is to booby-trap a complex set-up like ours - and how seriously we must take the obligation to, um, build back better than we were & it was.

If there is a good thing about Trump is he brought it to a head and out in the open, the racists and assholes of America were exposed and had no cover. Many in America "woke" to the danger of fascism and J6 drove home the point for American patriots. Mitch and Koch and the rest of the greedy bastards tried to slowly strangle American democracy in its sleep, but Trump punched Uncle Sam square in the face and awoke him. The country is polarized, so be it, at least the threat is clear to see now in all its ugliness and treason. In the end it's about winning hearts and minds and those without either hearts or minds are at a distinct disadvantage in the long run, fear can only take them so far.

DIY-HP-LED · Feb 1, 2023

DIY-HP-LED · Feb 1, 2023

David Frum: Republicans need to stop being jerks
87,726 views Feb 1, 2023 #Republicans #GOP #Politics
The Atlantic's David Frum joins Morning Joe to discuss the GOP and why he says obnoxiousness isn't a long-term strategy for the party.

Roger A. Shrubber · Feb 1, 2023

DIY-HP-LED said:
David Frum: Republicans need to stop being jerks
87,726 views Feb 1, 2023 #Republicans #GOP #Politics
The Atlantic's David Frum joins Morning Joe to discuss the GOP and why he says obnoxiousness isn't a long-term strategy for the party.

i have trouble watching Scarborough...he has a guest on and it's over 3 minutes into the show before he gets to answer one question, becasue joe can't not hear his own voice for more than 30 seconds at a time.

Bagginski · Feb 1, 2023

DIY-HP-LED said:
Local news died as we all went online, magazines were the first to go along with local newspapers and with them went editors and local reporters. The same thing happened with TV and radio as it went from local to state, then regional news, when market share became diluted with more options. It is this lack of local news reporting and lack of local community engagement that brought you George Santos, an online fraudulent image from an internet scammer with no one from the local press or TV station to take a close look at him.

One hundred years or more ago people read newspapers, there was not much information around, news was local and newspapers were highly partisan, but each community was served by several, national and international news came by telegraph or later by phone. Today most people have almost unlimited entertainment possibilities, TV with hundreds of channels, the internet, vast libraries of music and movies, games, virtual worlds, sports leagues, the list is endless. Politics ranks pretty low on the list of priorities for most people with all the other things to attend to besides work and family commitments.

The world is changing and people must adapt or die, like the republicans will sooner or later, they don't like change and resist it and in doing so increase their suffering. Yesterdays conservatives are todays liberals, even they too move forward by dying off, if for no other reason and attitudes of conservatives become what was once liberal at one time, though they are consistently behind the curve. Cultures can be left behind too and go extinct, when the can't change they die and there are countless examples in history. The culture wars are about a people who are under siege (or made to believe so) by change and modernity and the agent of that change is liberal democracy which fosters social justice and progress.

And if you don’t ever actually THINK about it, the conversion to the brainwashing, the programmed path, happens invisibly. I used to work in an office that decided to put ClearChannel’s rage squad on the system instead of music (or nothing). Entire staff below management was on-edge, sloppy, irritable for a couple weeks, everybody got quiet…and then the conversations in the office changed: people were talking about stuff they’d all heard on the speakers. Some were strongly against, some were vehemently for, but BOTH sides were oddly unfocused, almost hampered in some odd way.

During those same period, my own internal state was occupied by strong reactions. First was to try to block it out…I sometimes tend to have trouble blocking out bullshit, especially dangerous bullshit, so I automatically pushed back hard. Not out loud, though: would have interfered with my work, would have put me on the bosses’ shit list, would have made me the target of insults, pranks, & general malevolence..and it was not an easy job. The next stage was me arguing with the rageheads in my head, until it wore me out and I just had to stop…which led directly to the next stage. In this stage I began to argue with MYSELF about whether or not I’d gotten my research that wrong, about whether or not ANY of it could be true…and what that might mean.

It was a few weeks before I realized I’d begun taking their shit FAR TOO SERIOUSLY: finding myself trying to figure out how their BS could actually be true required me to stop taking cognizance of things known and proven and verified in thinking about it - and replace it with things I knew to be just plain false. I was able to reassemble myself soon enough - but it was a bit shocking to’ve seen it working on me. Then I changed jobs. Then I stopped going places that had rage radio or Fox on ‘for customers’: haven’t been in a Wendy’s in years, for example.

TLDR = once you start wondering IF or HOW, they’ve pretty much set the hook: ALL their shit is aimed at hammering that bit of weakness until the wall falls, they use fear like fracking fluid, to break people open to believing impossible and untrue things

cannabineer · Feb 1, 2023

Bagginski said:
And if you don’t ever actually THINK about it, the conversion to the brainwashing, the programmed path, happens invisibly. I used to work in an office that decided to put ClearChannel’s rage squad on the system instead of music (or nothing). Entire staff below management was on-edge, sloppy, irritable for a couple weeks, everybody got quiet…and then the conversations in the office changed: people were talking about stuff they’d all heard on the speakers. Some were strongly against, some were vehemently for, but BOTH sides were oddly unfocused, almost hampered in some odd way.

During those same period, my own internal state was occupied by strong reactions. First was to try to block it out…I sometimes tend to have trouble blocking out bullshit, especially dangerous bullshit, so I automatically pushed back hard. Not out loud, though: would have interfered with my work, would have put me on the bosses’ shit list, would have made me the target of insults, pranks, & general malevolence..and it was not an easy job. The next stage was me arguing with the rageheads in my head, until it wore me out and I just had to stop…which led directly to the next stage. In this stage I began to argue with MYSELF about whether or not I’d gotten my research that wrong, about whether or not ANY of it could be true…and what that might mean.

It was a few weeks before I realized I’d begun taking their shit FAR TOO SERIOUSLY: finding myself trying to figure out how their BS could actually be true required me to stop taking cognizance of things known and proven and verified in thinking about it - and replace it with things I knew to be just plain false. I was able to reassemble myself soon enough - but it was a bit shocking to’ve seen it working on me. Then I changed jobs. Then I stopped going places that had rage radio or Fox on ‘for customers’: haven’t been in a Wendy’s in years, for example.

TLDR = once you start wondering IF or HOW, they’ve pretty much set the hook: ALL their shit is aimed at hammering that bit of weakness until the wall falls, they use fear like fracking fluid, to break people open to believing impossible and untrue things

I have never been in a Wendy’s that didn’t have the usual inoffensive nothing on the sound system.

Bagginski · Feb 1, 2023

cannabineer said:
I otoh want him to have downright unnatural longevity. It will obviously not happen overnight, but more than one big conviction is headed his way. I don’t want him missing out.

As for his being indicted boosting his stature with the base, perhaps. A conviction otoh will have the other effect (again, not overnight) - by his own principle that nobody loves a loser.

I wish him many years in a place not of his choosing, where he will (or not) be induced to meditate upon these things.

A beige room, with beige carpet. A bed, a wastebasket, a desk, a chair, a lamp; pencils, paper, a pencil sharpener. A bare lightbulb overhead.

No windows, no telephone, no internet, no TV, no radio, no computer, no possessions beyond toiletries. No sound from adjoining rooms, floors, or corridors. No pets, no assistants, no watchers, no ‘detail’.

24-AV surveillance, retained indefinitely. Climate-controlled. Visitors from 8–10am, alternate Fridays.

Exercise, examination, meal, hygiene, and therapy sessions are mandatory and enforced.

Sir Napsalot · Feb 1, 2023

cannabineer said:
I have never been in a Wendy’s that didn’t have the usual inoffensive nothing on the sound system.

I worked as a field tech for 3M Sound Products and Muzak for a time

I know some pretty weird stuff- like how Toys R Us employed Subliminal Theft Prevention messaging as an example

cannabineer · Feb 1, 2023

Sir Napsalot said:
I worked as a field tech for 3M Sound Products and Muzak for a time

I know some pretty weird stuff- like how Toys R Us employed Subliminal Theft Prevention messaging as an example

glad to hear it. Subliminal theft is the source of silent misery.

cannabineer · Feb 1, 2023

Bagginski said:
A beige room, with beige carpet. A bed, a wastebasket, a desk, a chair, a lamp; pencils, paper, a pencil sharpener. A bare lightbulb overhead.

No windows, no telephone, no internet, no TV, no radio, no computer, no possessions beyond toiletries. No sound from adjoining rooms, floors, or corridors. No pets, no assistants, no watchers, no ‘detail’.

24-AV surveillance, retained indefinitely. Climate-controlled. Visitors from 8–10am, alternate Fridays.

Exercise, examination, meal, hygiene, and therapy sessions are mandatory and enforced.

Monday Night Rehabilitation

DIY-HP-LED · Feb 1, 2023

Bagginski said:
A beige room, with beige carpet. A bed, a wastebasket, a desk, a chair, a lamp; pencils, paper, a pencil sharpener. A bare lightbulb overhead.

No windows, no telephone, no internet, no TV, no radio, no computer, no possessions beyond toiletries. No sound from adjoining rooms, floors, or corridors. No pets, no assistants, no watchers, no ‘detail’.

24-AV surveillance, retained indefinitely. Climate-controlled. Visitors from 8–10am, alternate Fridays.

Exercise, examination, meal, hygiene, and therapy sessions are mandatory and enforced.

A retired marine drill sergeant as his personal trainer, tormentor and disciplinarian, don't forget the shock collar, gotta keep Donald motivated! :lol:

cannabineer · Feb 1, 2023

DIY-HP-LED said:
A retired marine drill sergeant as his personal trainer, tormentor and disciplinarian, don't forget the shock collar, gotta keep Donald motivated!

actually … if I had my druthers, bare (no furniture; sleep on the floor) isolation cell in a Caribbean location. Zero human or media contact. No windows; lights are always on. No clock or other temporal cues. Robots swap out the daily meal tray and night bucket. Fuck with a robot? no night bucket.

Bagginski · Feb 1, 2023

DIY-HP-LED said:
If there is a good thing about Trump is he brought it to a head and out in the open, the racists and assholes of America were exposed and had no cover. Many in America "woke" to the danger of fascism and J6 drove home the point for American patriots. Mitch and Koch and the rest of the greedy bastards tried to slowly strangle American democracy in its sleep, but Trump punched Uncle Sam square in the face and awoke him. The country is polarized, so be it, at least the threat is clear to see now in all its ugliness and treason. In the end it's about winning hearts and minds and those without either hearts or minds are at a distinct disadvantage in the long run, fear can only take them so far.

DIY-HP-LED · Feb 1, 2023

cannabineer said:
actually … if I had my druthers, bare (no furniture; sleep on the floor) isolation cell in a Caribbean location. Zero human or media contact. No windows; lights are always on. No clock or other temporal cues. Robots swap out the daily meal tray and night bucket. Fuck with a robot? no night bucket.

Such a place exists, it's called gitmo, though I would prefer the supermax, since Donald has a large armed domestic terrorist following.

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