Dyna-Gro vs Advanced Nutrients Connoisseur (AK47 Grow)

thats exactly what i was doing before. plus 1ml of bloom.
calmag def on all but top right 2 plants most severe

which is why i decided to bump it up...
my next planned watering will be on tuesday 200ppm of sweet raw, a sprinkle of great white(very light). a flush of some sort with some benes. on track?

matatan said:

thats exactly what i was doing before. plus 1ml of bloom.
calmag def on all but top right 2 plants most severe
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which is why i decided to bump it up...
my next planned watering will be on tuesday 200ppm of sweet raw, a sprinkle of great white(very light). a flush of some sort with some benes. on track?

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I think you're working way too hard to keep those plants healthy. Unless your water source sucks, grow and protekt will keep your plants healthy top-to-bottom. I have 18 month old mothers that are 7 feet tall being fed what I mentioned in the last post. Don't over analyze your plants, keep it simple and let them grow.

water source is R/O water 13ppm 5.8ph. hydrologic stealth 200.
understood.

i'm running

4ml protekt
5.5ml bloom
2.5ml molasses

and am getting 1.03 EC.. was really thinking of why i was using molasses, and couldn't justify it, should i just take out the molasses, and add bloom to bring it back up to 1 EC? my waters comming out at 90ppm on the .5 scale, is that low enough to cause concerns, as far as me not using mag-pro?

smokeweeda said:

i'm running

4ml protekt
5.5ml bloom
2.5ml molasses

and am getting 1.03 EC.. was really thinking of why i was using molasses, and couldn't justify it, should i just take out the molasses, and add bloom to bring it back up to 1 EC? my waters comming out at 90ppm on the .5 scale, is that low enough to cause concerns, as far as me not using mag-pro?

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Molasses isn't needed and depending on your medium, I'd add some grow formula in there. So maybe 2mls grow and 3.5mls bloom. If you need more N, try 4mls grow and 1.5mls bloom. Your protekt amount looks good.

Your water is probably fine but it's not just about the EC, it's about the minerals making up that EC. My water is hard and unbalanced which is why I use RO. You're in much better shape so hopefully it's not too lopsided in any one mineral.

The only downside to Pro Tekt is it sends my Ph CRAZY high

Lucius Vorenus said:

The only downside to Pro Tekt is it sends my Ph CRAZY high

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Prokekt is about as alkaline as nutrients are acidic. You may add protekt to a gallon of water which could result in a pH of 10. Adding nutes (which usually are in the 3.0 - 4.0 range) will balance that pH out.

homebrewer said:

Prokekt is about as alkaline as nutrients are acidic. You may add protekt to a gallon of water which could result in a pH of 10. Adding nutes (which usually are in the 3.0 - 4.0 range) will balance that pH out.

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Might I add, that there is a little bit of skill involved in getting the pro-tekt just right. It has to be added first. but 4 mils sounds about right. Sometimes after I mix a rez, it will precip out some gypsum. Don't know why,
I think it is because of using h2o2 as the last ingredient. If i wait a day and then add the h2o2, the rez is fresh and clear.
This is using bomebrews basic method and recipe.

Lucius Vorenus said:

The only downside to Pro Tekt is it sends my Ph CRAZY high

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i have barely used my ph down/up since i started using dynagro. its awesome, im used to using anywhere from 2-5ml(per gal) of ph down when i used gh and tap water.

homebrewer said:

I think you're working way too hard to keep those plants healthy. Unless your water source sucks, grow and protekt will keep your plants healthy top-to-bottom. I have 18 month old mothers that are 7 feet tall being fed what I mentioned in the last post. Don't over analyze your plants, keep it simple and let them grow.

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ok my man. first signs of overfeeding. you was right on point!
i dont think i was over analyzing my plants, i was just looking at them and saw cal mag deficiency. my reaction to that was to raise everything which was obviously the wrong thing to do in hindsight.. just a slight bump in calmag would have been appropriate while keeping gro n protekt steady at 3ml each.
still, plants look wonderful

question for ya, when do you start to add bloom? do you cut back on gro when you start the bloom?
my guess- when you start flower, gro @ 1-2ml for first 2 weeks of flower and bloom @5ml throughout? maybe 1-2ml more week 6ish?

HB - Have you ever experienced some sort od delay using Dyna in Hydro? For some reason its been a month and still see no bud formation for this stage of time. Some pistils are present, but no bud forming yet. I'm thinking to cut back on Grow 1m/gal since I see leaves good in green. My temp have been at mid 85 and humidity high 60. Just thought id ask you since you have more extensive knowledge in hydro.

I use protek, magpro, grow, bloom, root excelurator, primordial sea of green, rootemenary, and hygrozume
I keep everything at 5.8 PH, 1-1.2 EC and about 550-575ppm on a combo Hanna meter. I'm looking to cut out most products except the dyna and see what results I see in two weeks. Also use H202 for first two days once I switch resvoir mix to santize some of the equip. Any input would be appreciated.

homebrewer said:

I think you're working way too hard to keep those plants healthy. Unless your water source sucks, grow and protekt will keep your plants healthy top-to-bottom. I have 18 month old mothers that are 7 feet tall being fed what I mentioned in the last post. Don't over analyze your plants, keep it simple and let them grow.

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First I'd like to thank you for the work you have put in HB. I've read a great deal of what you have wrote here and many other threads. With what I have gained from your input throughout the site it has helped me greatly. I'm on my second go around. The first was a test run of everything from start to finish. So I used the bagseeds I'd been saving for years. All of the problems that arose were environment related weather it was temp or humidity and I managed to correct them as they came up. So I was very happy with my harvest. I did have a consistency problem but that is to be expected with the genetics I used. Some plants had nice big thick nuggets with lots of trichs and others had small nuggets and were so heavy frosted it was amazing. I've solved the genetics issue I'm currently working with SS AK47, and super silver haze, medicine man and black widow all from mr. nice. What I am hoping you can help me with is fine tuning my nutes. To this point I'm strictly following 1 of the 3 schedules I've found online. The first go I decided to use the non recirculating hydro schedule but I was using a 50/50 mix of BX pro and perlite. It worked fine for me but I do realize that is a much higher ppm than the schedule for soil. I did have a few tips on the fan leaves towards the very end that showed a little burn but it was the tips only. So I'm following the same chart now with this grow.

I've read so many of your post I can't remember where I read it but I believe you swap out a little bloom for a little grow during flower. I'm wondering if you can give me a little more detail as to what the ratio is that you use and why? Also I was wondering if you use anything else with the standard DG (grow, bloom, mag pro, and pro tekt)? Is there any other time when you add something other than those 4 products and if so which ones are they and what dosage do you use? I realize I have to experiment but I'm hoping your can save me some time and point me in the right direction.

THANKS AGAIN FOR ALL YOU POSTS. They have been very helpful to me and I can only assume others as well.

matatan said:

question for ya, when do you start to add bloom? do you cut back on gro when you start the bloom?
my guess- when you start flower, gro @ 1-2ml for first 2 weeks of flower and bloom @5ml throughout? maybe 1-2ml more week 6ish?

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Those numbers are high for my tastes. I feed more grow during flowering than I do bloom and feed at less than a tsp/gallon. Sometimes I give them a 50/50 shot of grow and bloom, but mostly it's just grow.

BudHound said:

HB - Have you ever experienced some sort od delay using Dyna in Hydro? For some reason its been a month and still see no bud formation for this stage of time. Some pistils are present, but no bud forming yet. I'm thinking to cut back on Grow 1m/gal since I see leaves good in green. My temp have been at mid 85 and humidity high 60. Just thought id ask you since you have more extensive knowledge in hydro.

I use protek, magpro, grow, bloom, root excelurator, primordial sea of green, rootemenary, and hygrozume
I keep everything at 5.8 PH, 1-1.2 EC and about 550-575ppm on a combo Hanna meter. I'm looking to cut out most products except the dyna and see what results I see in two weeks. Also use H202 for first two days once I switch resvoir mix to santize some of the equip. Any input would be appreciated.

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I think you're using too many products but use whatever works for you. In regards to a 'flowering delay', I have not noticed anything like that. Strains flower for the same amount of time as always and budsets form as usual.

homebrewer said:

I feed more grow during flowering than I do bloom and feed at less than a tsp/gallon. Sometimes I give them a 50/50 shot of grow and bloom, but mostly it's just grow.

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copy. 4ml gro, 1-2ml bloom.
i remember reading you use koolbloom, when do you add and how much?
do you cut gro out at any point of flowering?
whats your thoughts of dry koolbloom?

sorry for the barrage of questions man lol dont have much time, your a fucking genious, dont take things personal if i dont follow your advice lol i feel i need to get the feel of MY plants and to do that i need to know what they DONT like... n that means testing there limits and watching/reading/hypothesizing/learing from their reactions. RESPECT

Which one did better than the other? I skimmed through the thread and found no pics of the comparison or any final conclusion, maybe it was just bad luck? lol

GOLDBERG71 said:

I've read so many of your post I can't remember where I read it but I believe you swap out a little bloom for a little grow during flower. I'm wondering if you can give me a little more detail as to what the ratio is that you use and why? Also I was wondering if you use anything else with the standard DG (grow, bloom, mag pro, and pro tekt)? Is there any other time when you add something other than those 4 products and if so which ones are they and what dosage do you use? I realize I have to experiment but I'm hoping your can save me some time and point me in the right direction.

THANKS AGAIN FOR ALL YOU POSTS. They have been very helpful to me and I can only assume others as well.

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I use both grow and bloom together in hydro but in promix, I mostly feed with grow. I go over a lot of that stuff in this thread.

matatan said:

copy. 4ml gro, 1-2ml bloom.
i remember reading you use koolbloom, when do you add and how much?
do you cut gro out at any point of flowering?
whats your thoughts of dry koolbloom?

sorry for the barrage of questions man lol dont have much time, your a fucking genious, dont take things personal if i dont follow your advice lol i feel i need to get the feel of MY plants and to do that i need to know what they DONT like... n that means testing there limits and watching/reading/hypothesizing/learing from their reactions. RESPECT

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I don't use koolbloom with DG. Koolbloom dry is a lot like magpro actually, it's a good product when used correctly and I only used it in hydro.

Blaze23 said:

Which one did better than the other? I skimmed through the thread and found no pics of the comparison or any final conclusion, maybe it was just bad luck? lol

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Skim harder?

Can you explain how to calculate the new ratio when mixing 2 different products such as GROW and BLOOM. I see you prefer a 1-3-2 ratio and you state you achieve this by mixing these 2 formulas. Is this a 1 to 1 mixture? I know grow is 7-9-5 and bloom is 3-12-6 but it can't be as simple as adding them together and dividing by 2 is it? If so I can figure the correct mixture and it's obviously not 1 to 1.

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Can you explain how to calculate the new ratio when mixing 2 different products such as GROW and BLOOM. I see you prefer a 1-3-2 ratio and you state you achieve this by mixing these 2 formulas. Is this a 1 to 1 mixture? I know grow is 7-9-5 and bloom is 3-12-6 but it can't be as simple as adding them together and dividing by 2 is it? If so I can figure the correct mixture and it's obviously not 1 to 1.

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It is as simple as adding and then dividing, especially since grow and bloom are identical other than the NPK values.

So I think if you do some quick math, you'll find that 80% bloom and 20% grow lands you around a 1-3-1.5. Add in some protekt and maybe you're closer to a 1-3-2?

If you really want to get fancy, you could factor in the use of magpro as well which means you might go 2/3 bloom and 1/3 grow which puts you around 1-2.5-1.3. The addition of magpro and protekt probably gets you in the ballpark of 1-3-2 again.

I like this ratio for hydro. Dirt/soil/promix is a different story.

Do you have a preferred ratio for soil? Like I mentioned earlier I'm using 50/50 pro mix/perlite my thinking is this allows better drainage as well as more air in the medium. Making it in my mind half way hydro lol?! For some reason I like to be able to water each individual plant as it needs its as opposed to automated watering. I have trust issues with trusting timers. Thanks for the formula . . I didn't think it could be that simple although it does get more complicated not using equal proportions. You've convinced me I'm running hot. Even though I'm not seeing signs of it yet I'm worried I will soon. I'm closing in on week 4 and I have had a few yellow leaves recently all lower that were dry and brittle but I thought that was due to the heat from dehumidifier. Now I'm not so sure that really is the cause of the problem.

GOLDBERG71 said:

Do you have a preferred ratio for soil? Like I mentioned earlier I'm using 50/50 pro mix/perlite my thinking is this allows better drainage as well as more air in the medium. Making it in my mind half way hydro lol?! For some reason I like to be able to water each individual plant as it needs its as opposed to automated watering. I have trust issues with trusting timers. Thanks for the formula . . I didn't think it could be that simple although it does get more complicated not using equal proportions. You've convinced me I'm running hot. Even though I'm not seeing signs of it yet I'm worried I will soon. I'm closing in on week 4 and I have had a few yellow leaves recently all lower that were dry and brittle but I thought that was due to the heat from dehumidifier. Now I'm not so sure that really is the cause of the problem.

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I either hit them with all grow or 50/50 grow/bloom in flower. If the plant needs to be more green, it gets grow. If it's green enough and done 'stretching', then I'll hit it with a grow/bloom mix. DG's 7-9-5 works very well for flower in promix.

Awesome info HB. I just mixed a batch but I wasn't prepared to cut the bloom in half so I'm starting with a 2/3 1/3 ratio B to G . . Then I'll go from there . . . I'm down to 540 ppm as opposed to the 1350 I had going on the last 3 weeks. . . I just ordered a quart of floralicious plus I plan on incorporating in for the next cycle but that's as far as I think I will go. I'm not sure I'll receive it in time for it to do any good this time. I'm all about the KISS method so with the good results and the ease of use I've already stocked up on all 4 DG products. Bought them all bulk and saved some bucks. Since I've only used DG I can't comment on other brands but I can say with what I have read about maintaining PH of the others I doubt I ever will. As a beginner they sure have been easy to use and maintain. I have a 32 gallon res I use once I flip then and in the beginning it last longer and rarely has the PH moved more than 0.1 before it has been used. When I figure out the rep++ you'll be the first to get some from me!You have helped me more than you know already.