Does BENDING seedling stage FAN LEAF promote growth ? HELP YAY or NAY.

MaloMAL

MaloMAL

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Yesterday (12/29/16) I began to bend the small fan leaves including tiny suckers. I've done so again today for every plant (6). I bend both fan leaves equally and held for about 5 seconds. I did this until the plant looks flat on top. It is a technique I use for my tomatoe plants. Any suggestions ???? My plants were germinated on 12/10/16.
 
tharoomman

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MaloMAL said:
Yesterday (12/29/16) I began to bend the small fan leaves including tiny suckers. I've done so again today for every plant (6). I bend both fan leaves equally and held for about 5 seconds. I did this until the plant looks flat on top. It is a technique I use for my tomatoe plants. Any suggestions ???? My plants were germinated on 12/10/16.
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What's the logic behind it?

Not sure about promoting growth, but bending/pinching the stems/stalk will promote a tougher stalk.
 
MaloMAL

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tharoomman said:
What's the logic behind it?

Not sure about promoting growth, but bending/pinching the stems/stalk will promote a tougher stalk.
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Well that is my question. If by bending the leaves will I increase leaf growth by revealing suckers to induce its ability to collect light. The logic I'm using is based on the tomatoe plant which when undergoing its seedling stage I bend fan leaves occasionally to promote leaf growth. It seems to work, however this is a different species of plant. I am being patient as that is the advice that has been giving to me. I just want to use methods as I am trying this DWC system for the first time.....
 
tharoomman

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MaloMAL said:
Well that is my question. If by bending the leaves will I increase leaf growth by revealing suckers to induce its ability to collect light. The logic I'm using is based on the tomatoe plant which when undergoing its seedling stage I bend fan leaves occasionally to promote leaf growth. It seems to work, however this is a different species of plant. I am being patient as that is the advice that has been giving to me. I just want to use methods as I am trying this DWC system for the first time.....
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If you tie back the fan leaves it will for sure promote more growth. Bending will just be temporary. Can we see a picture of them?
 
MaloMAL

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tharoomman said:
If you tie back the fan leaves it will for sure promote more growth. Bending will just be temporary. Can we see a picture of them?
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Man I was just going to propose a photo lol, I'd be happy too give me one second. Keep in mind e.g. Are sleeping right now so shhhh lol.
 
MaloMAL

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tharoomman said:
If you tie back the fan leaves it will for sure promote more growth. Bending will just be temporary. Can we see a picture of them?
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Picks arriving in 20 minutes 5:20 my time. Please excuse the late response I didn't want to disturb the plants rest or room temp
 
CaliSmokes

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You can look up LST but bending your fan leaves will not promote growth. They want to soak up light not be bent downward away from it.
 
MaloMAL

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CaliSmokes said:
You can look up LST but bending your fan leaves will not promote growth. They want to soak up light not be bent downward away from it.
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tharoomman said:
If you tie back the fan leaves it will for sure promote more growth. Bending will just be temporary. Can we see a picture of them?
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Flagg420

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Stalks is one thing, helps produce strong thick, almost hardened stem sections...

Leaves... stop that.

You are damaging the tiny pores that do the breathing for the plant.... you are punching your plant in the chest to try to promote healthy lung function.... don't pinch bend squish crush or otherwise harm your leaves....

Besides, happy plants tend to have a pretty decent upward angle on their upper leaves...
 
MaloMAL

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Flagg420 said:
Stalks is one thing, helps produce strong thick, almost hardened stem sections...

Leaves... stop that.

You are damaging the tiny pores that do the breathing for the plant.... you are punching your plant in the chest to try to promote healthy lung function.... don't pinch bend squish crush or otherwise harm your leaves....

Besides, happy plants tend to have a pretty decent upward angle on their upper leaves...
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Awesome thanks for the advice. Did you get a good look at how the plants appear on the photos posted as replies on other users responses??
 
MaloMAL

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Flagg420 said:
Put more clay pebbles in that pot too, u r letting LIGHT into your root chamber.

Thats instant root rot, and thats a dead plant.
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Okay. Is that what could be slowing my growth down is is my growth progress due to the recent transfer ?
 
Flagg420

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transfers usually give ya a short hiccup in growth as the roots adjust. If you have root rot, or light affected roots, then yes its gonna go slow.

Light damages roots, and roots can NOT be healed, they must be replaced by new growth.

This is why you always keep the root chamber light free, high in O2, and as close to 65f as possible. If your temps are over that 70-72f mark, bad things breed. Not enough O2 bubbles, roots drown.

As the plant has 2 grow fresh roots to replace the damaged ones, it can't do any vegetative growth.

Fill that net pot lid above the holes to block the light, make sure u got enough air bubbles (Pump big enough? Stones decent?) And get yourself some Orca (oth similar myco booster) its like magic, helps keep roots healthy n vigorous, while battling root rot...

Sooner the better on the light thing tho....
 
MaloMAL

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Flagg420 said:
transfers usually give ya a short hiccup in growth as the roots adjust. If you have root rot, or light affected roots, then yes its gonna go slow.

Light damages roots, and roots can NOT be healed, they must be replaced by new growth.

This is why you always keep the root chamber light free, high in O2, and as close to 65f as possible. If your temps are over that 70-72f mark, bad things breed. Not enough O2 bubbles, roots drown.

As the plant has 2 grow fresh roots to replace the damaged ones, it can't do any vegetative growth.

Fill that net pot lid above the holes to block the light, make sure u got enough air bubbles (Pump big enough? Stones decent?) And get yourself some Orca (oth similar myco booster) its like magic, helps keep roots healthy n vigorous, while battling root rot...

Sooner the better on the light thing tho....
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Awesome I appreciate your time and effort responding, I learn a ton from others. Questions when you say close to 65 ft I know your referring to the root chamber but what ¿ do you mind emphasizing on that please. I have a 50 L bag of Hydroton expanded clay pebbles. 4in stones 2.75gallon in a 3 gallon bucket. Commercial ActiveAqua 45 liter per minute 6 outlet air pump. Running 6x3gallon~2.75gallon filled. Orca ¿ i have a few product available now. Advanced nutrients stage 1,2,3 and tarantula. Technaflora starter recipe. Heavy 16 starter recipe stage 1,2,3, root stim. , foliar. Swing and I'll see what I have sound can use if not buy.... lmk thanks
 
Flagg420

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65 degrees Fahrenheit, perfect green level to promote most dissolved oxygen in the water, keeps roots healthy, and reduces bacterial growth. (18-19c) If your water feels warm, you are killing your plant.

Orca (great white for dirt) is a liquid myco that will replace AN's Voodoo juice + tarantula + piranha and prolly nirvana too.... Remember to always feed a fraction of what the bottles say, and increase strength as the plant grows.

keep an eye on your Ph as well, as it will tend to drift over a day or 3.

I would double your air. Another pump, and run 2 stones per bucket.

Less is more w/ nutes, keep the solution weak til the plants nice and big.

(I use AN conn. A/B mix, +cal mag, and orca.... thats it. Works like a dream, low maintenance...)
 
MaloMAL

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Flagg420 said:
65 degrees Fahrenheit, perfect green level to promote most dissolved oxygen in the water, keeps roots healthy, and reduces bacterial growth. (18-19c) If your water feels warm, you are killing your plant.

Orca (great white for dirt) is a liquid myco that will replace AN's Voodoo juice + tarantula + piranha and prolly nirvana too.... Remember to always feed a fraction of what the bottles say, and increase strength as the plant grows.

keep an eye on your Ph as well, as it will tend to drift over a day or 3.

I would double your air. Another pump, and run 2 stones per bucket.

Less is more w/ nutes, keep the solution weak til the plants nice and big.

(I use AN conn. A/B mix, +cal mag, and orca.... thats it. Works like a dream, low maintenance...)
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Will the tarantula I have from advanced nutrients work compatibly to your recommended product ? Also I never add what they recommend lol I know from experience in my own garden not to follow their schedules unless proven to work with my specific crop. Yes I have notice the fluctuations as I have been testing for inconsistencies. Ouch, that's an extra cost isn't it lol. Is that a need or an extra perk ? Will the one I have now just do. I have been told my set up is great and nothing is missing. I'm open to what your saying I just must make sure it is a necessity and not an extra feature.... great will do with nutes, thanks !!!
 
Michael Huntherz

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Airflow, man, a fan blowing on your plants and rotating them so they get exposure to wind on all sides will promote strong stalks, strong stalks are good for holding up big colas. I love fans.

Dudeguy is right about light in the root chamber, hope that is addressed right away.

On another subject entirely, for which I apologize in advance; It is a weird experience for me to read posts from the obviously wealthy people such as yourself who use nutes with colorful art on the label and 97 different products in a line...it is like a different dialect of English. You could be talking about performance car parts or growing a plant and I couldn't tell the difference.

My advice would be strive to simplify your system from here out.
 
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