CoCo Coir Yield Pots size coloration ?

Trippyness

Trippyness

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Greetings mates, been some time.

Here is my predicament.
Have always run 3 Gal Coco in Flower. Recently switched to 2 Gallon and my yield went down drastically contrary to what CoCo growers have stated. I went from 6 oz to 2.5OZ SAME everything.

Setup:
My Own Cookies Strain
5 x 5 Space
Fabric Pots
1k DE Gavita
Scrog and Trellis
BlueMats
MaxiBloom + Epson + Mamoth P
Have had great success until the switch.
I have grown Moms in 1 Gal Fabric and they got big but never the structure of the 3 Gal.
I have my setup dialed, but seems going down really didnt help yield even though was seeing far more watering. Plants were all healthy as can be.
Anyone have experience first hand running smaller vs Larger Fabric in CoCo with multiple daily feedings.
Im likely going to do a side by side with the same strain 1Gal vs 2 gal vs 3 Gal vs 5 Gal same conditions 4 week veg as a baseline ( Prefer 8 week).
Seems that Larger Pots even in CoCo produce significantly better yields contrary to alot of what people say.
Maybe im missing something as would love to go down to 1 Gal and get huge yields as 3 Gallon.

Please do share experience.
Cheers, Trippy
 
TurboTokes

TurboTokes

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Would love to know the answer myself.

I want to use small fabric pots outdoors waterred multi times a day, so i feel I can maybe avoid huge pots, but if yield is influenced that changes everything. I was thinking 5/7 gallon pots for 5-6' tall bushed out plants, where as 15/20gallons would normally be used for this size

Sub'd to see if you are able to put a little real world theory to it, cheers
 
coreywebster

coreywebster

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I have never heard anybody say that downsizing pots will increase yield. Who are these people saying it?

I could see downsizing pots and doubling plant count helping but that's another story.

End of the day the bigger the root mass the more potential the yield provided all else is up to scratch.
 
Pounds4days

Pounds4days

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Yeah more roots more fruits. So more root mass better yeald. General rule of thumb is 1 gal is about a oz of product. That's obviously depending on growers skill. But a good general way to look at it. Also depends on canopy size if you have enough small pots to fill the space up properly you will average .5lb for 400w in a 3x3, 1lb for 600w in a 4x4, and 1.5 lb for a 1000w in a 5x5. Canopy has to be full or you won't get close to goals. If you do the small pots you prob end up doing a lot of watering since it eats it up faster. Usually when I transplant from dixie cup I go to gal then I always go 3x larger for next transplant. So 1 gal to 3 gal, 3 gal to 10, 10 to 30 and so on depending on size goal before flipping to bloom. It's not recommended for example to go from a 1 gal to a 2 or a 3 gal to a 5. It isn't much of a upgrade for the plant be like going from a value size drink to a small. Hope this helps keep trucking at it you will get it figured out.
 
TurboTokes

TurboTokes

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I feel there might not ba a corolation sometimes though, some people are growing monsters in 4" cubes, and thats like 1/4 gallon capacity
 
xtsho

xtsho

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I've found that 3 gallon is the sweet spot for growing indoors if you want 3+ ft plants.. I've also found that pots smaller than 3 gallon make smaller plants. This is growing in 100% coco. Outside would be a different story and larger pot sizes would be appropriate. You can still get good yields from 1 gallon pots if you grow it right.

Here is a Columbian Gold in a 1 gallon pot. Not a big plant but it's all bud. Probably going to be about an ounce once it's all trimmed up and dried. You can fit 20 - 25 plants in 1 gallon pots in a 4 x 4 tent.



Topped once and it split down the middle of the stem the buds are so heavy. Had to tape it up.




I'm happy with the bud to space ratio using 1 gallon pots. Just have to adapt the grow style.
 
Buddernugs

Buddernugs

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For me….70/30 coco dtw….no co2……no boosters……..3 gal pot = 5-8oz per plant……5 gal hard pot =16+ oz with same veg time from seed……just upgraded to 12x12 hydro farm square hard pots that are listed at 6 gal inner volume…..8 week and 3 day veg from seed then flip = 27.857 oz (1.741 lbs)…..however…..with hard pots the roots grow down untill they run out of room, then they grow back up…..on that run i took a look at the roots after chop and noticed the top 3 inches of coco was absent of roots….so that pot size was wasted as far are veg time/properly rooted out pot Goes…..this go around I vegged from seed 63 days (9 weeks) at 24/0 light schedule….that extra 4 day veg ”should” fill that top 3 inches….so as far as 70/30 coco goes, a 6+ gal hard pot would be a waste of coco,water,food,time…..unless you veg for at least 8ish weeks from seed…..I’m guessing a 7 gal 70-30 pot might need a 10-12 week veg from seed to properly root out…..a long winded explanation I know but it’s a real life scenario……pot size in ANY medium 100% will affect end yeild…..the quolity will always be their assuming your a competent grower…but…yeild is what separates the try hards from the die hards……
 
Buddernugs

Buddernugs

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Probably why you commented on it to…… how’s them windows taste bud? They taste good? Are they yummy?
 
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wreign

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Buddernugs said:
For me….70/30 coco dtw….no co2……no boosters……..3 gal pot = 5-8oz per plant……5 gal hard pot =16+ oz with same veg time from seed……just upgraded to 12x12 hydro farm square hard pots that are listed at 6 gal inner volume…..8 week and 3 day veg from seed then flip = 27.857 oz (1.741 lbs)…..however…..with hard pots the roots grow down untill they run out of room, then they grow back up…..on that run i took a look at the roots after chop and noticed the top 3 inches of coco was absent of roots….so that pot size was wasted as far are veg time/properly rooted out pot Goes…..this go around I vegged from seed 63 days (9 weeks) at 24/0 light schedule….that extra 4 day veg ”should” fill that top 3 inches….so as far as 70/30 coco goes, a 6+ gal hard pot would be a waste of coco,water,food,time…..unless you veg for at least 8ish weeks from seed…..I’m guessing a 7 gal 70-30 pot might need a 10-12 week veg from seed to properly root out…..a long winded explanation I know but it’s a real life scenario……pot size in ANY medium 100% will affect end yeild…..the quolity will always be their assuming your a competent grower…but…yeild is what separates the try hards from the die hards……
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Good info, thanks. Could you give me some tips as im planning a switch from pro mix to coco.

Current setup:

- 4 plans under de hps, 4x5 coverage
- 6 gal air pots
- twice a day water
- plants veg until they reach 36 inches out of the pot
- finish at around 48 inches

Yield 6oz per plant.

I am planning to go coco and drop to 3gal air pots. Water freq will rise to 3x or 4x per day.

I am doing this hoping that improved oxygen in coco and more freq watering will get me to 8oz. Main concern that my yield will drop.

Thanks
 
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Roguedawg

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2gal is biggest I have ever used with coir. Whats called 2gal in nursery pots is really less than 2gal. At least a half pound per plant every time. You cant even see coco by the time they are done its all mass of white roots. You could do pound plants in 2gal but you will be fertigating every hour and of course there will be a bigger a chance of fucking up also.
 
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wreign

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Roguedawg said:
2gal is biggest I have ever used with coir. Whats called 2gal in nursery pots is really less than 2gal. At least a half pound per plant every time. You cant even see coco by the time they are done its all mass of white roots. You could do pound plants in 2gal but you will be fertigating every hour and of course there will be a bigger a chance of fucking up also.
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How often do you water in 2gals? How big dobthe plants get, like height and widght? Thanks
 
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