Buds smell bad + not dense |HELP|

So here it is, my smaller plant has like two weeks left of flowering, pistils are all getting brown/orange but theres a big problem. 3 in fact:

The buds dont have trichomes: they litterally dont have resin on them, not on the leaf, not on the flower. I rub my hands on the flowers and they dont smell anything afterwards.
The buds are not dense: compared to my other plant, the buds are so fucking fluffy, its like tehres almost nothing, even tho the flower is big.
The buds smell bad: The smell is not "bad" really, its just that my other plant smells like powerful fruit and this one, that is the same strain, smells like hay, or grass or whatever.

Im thinking it might be mold or something, theres absolutely no visible sign of mold tho, could it be inside???

Im a noob and i dont know if i should keep it with my other plant, that goes very well, could these 3 things be the symptoms of a disease that could spread to my other plant?
Do I keep it flowering until all pistils turn brown?


THANKS ALOT seeya people.

More info.... Light source, Grow medium, Strain, Picture?

Might wanna check for bananas.

The buds don't have trich's - could be crappy pheno type...but none?

The buds are not dense - many factors light, nutes,environment,strain (you mention none of these)

The buds smell bad - again, could be crappy pheno type or a host of other reasons.

it would be best to post pics and describe your set-up so people can see exactly what you are refering to ie. no trich's, fluffy buds, set-up

it's hard to diagnose without seeing

Bud rot would be nasty and stink and since you have fluffy buds - doubt you have it.

You do not judge when the plant is ready by the pistils turning brown - you get a microscope/louple (30+ power) and look at the trich's to determine the % of clear/cloudy/amber you desire. If one doesn't have any - then I guess you could consider it done when the other one is done but have never seen this-but what do I know with all the new engineered hybrids that are made these days. I mean if it doesn't have any - what's the point unless you want the plant's other properties.

Sounds like a lot of things. Ok, so now resin whatsoever on buds or leaves?. Too much heat and not enough of air circulation in the grow room. Same thing happened to me very recently with a sweet White Widow. She looks great, tastes bland and does not smoke Widow. This just suckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkks

I had the same thing happen minus the bad smell. I grew a pack of 5 Little Cheeses from Barney's Farm and almost of all them had little to no trichomes and airy buds with weak to no smell. At first I thought it would eat stress since my area was a bit warm but when I grew it in a cooler setting, pretty much the same results. I still don't know for sure what caused it but I assume poor genetics.

If this plant was grown from seed then it is most likely a bad phenotype of a strain. I have grown out many different seeds, and find that most of them are just average, or even pretty poor when compared to a good phenotype from the same seed batch. I never grow only 1 seed at a time, because there is a very good chance that, no matter how well you care for it, you will not get good bud at the end.
My last grow was a mixture of 4 different seeds, and only one of them produced what I would class as "medical" grade weed. For the rest I have about 7 Oz of pretty shit weed which I used to make gumby hash. Pick a good mother and make clones if consistency is what you are after.

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Should probably add, to the OP, that there are also about a million ways they could have messed this up too. Heat stress is just one way to reduce your yield. Excess N would do the job just as well, and a noob might think that their plant was actually healthy. Unless the Op can add more info, or photos then it's hard to guess...

hydrogreen65 said:

Might wanna check for bananas.

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+1

is there naners on it?

ive been seeing this as well with clones. Ill get 1 or 2 per 14 that is a dud. never really trich up. never smell. I cut hack and toss them. You can tell by week 4-6 if its a dud.
Ive heard broad mites could be the culprit but after going blind microscoping at 100x I dont see any.

I also notice that the duds generally have really shitty small roots. not rotting or bugs just not well developed.

So I was thinking if they dont veg long enough to build good roots they just turn dud.

ilikecheetoes said:

ive been seeing this as well with clones. Ill get 1 or 2 per 14 that is a dud. never really trich up. never smell. I cut hack and toss them. You can tell by week 4-6 if its a dud.
Ive heard broad mites could be the culprit but after going blind microscoping at 100x I dont see any.

I also notice that the duds generally have really shitty small roots. not rotting or bugs just not well developed.

So I was thinking if they dont veg long enough to build good roots they just turn dud.

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I'm dealing with this issue right now with a batch of OG clones from DHN. Any reference I find about this dudding is always in a broad mite discussion. From what I've gathered the toxins will linger long after the mites are gone. I've inspected my duds with a USB microscope found nothing, yet the plants produce no smell. Glandular trichome production, flower size and density are severely effected. I've also noticed that stretch in flowering is reduced in duds.

Some growers say adding aspirin to the feed water will trigger SAR, helping the plants fight the broad mite toxin. I haven't tried this yet, maybe someone who has will chime in.

The strange and frustrating part of dudding syndrome for me is that I cannot detect it until week 2-3 of flower.

Does anyone one know how long it takes to completely rid a plant of the toxins after the mites are destroyed?

I think there are some valuable clues in this article I found at Sciencedaily.com. Anyone who has experienced "dudding syndrome" will enjoy this read. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/03/100329103654.htm


"During her studies, a scientist from the Max Planck Institute for Chemical Ecology has discovered that the plant hormone jasmonic acid -- known as a signalling molecule after herbivory -- not only regulates flower development in the bud stage, but also triggers nectar production.
Jasmonic acid and related molecules are constituents of molecular signal transduction chains in plant tissues. These compounds -- generally referred to as jasmonates -- are synthesized when caterpillars feed on plants; they are signaling substances and belong to the group of plant hormones. By producing jasmonates the plant regulates its defense against herbivores e.g. by stimulating the synthesis of toxins. Moreover, previous studies have shown that jasmonates regulate the production of "extrafloral nectar." This particular nectar, which is produced by special glands called "extrafloral nectaries," has nothing to do with pollination, but attracts ants to the herbivore-attacked plants as defenders against their pests. The sugars in the nectar reward the ants for defending the plant. The same principle applies to floral nectar: nectar production in the flowers attracts and rewards pollinators which in turn contribute substantially to the seed yield. However, up to now, it has not been clear how nectar production is regulated in the flowers.
Different effects in flowers and leaves
Radhika Venkatesan, PhD student at the International Max Planck Research School in Jena, studied Brassica napus, a widespread and agriculturally important plant species. She found that when its flower tissues produced jasmonates during an early developmental stage, nectar production was immediately activated, regardless of whether the plant had been attacked by herbivores or not. "When we put caterpillars on the rapeseed leaves to elicit jasmonic acid production, the nectar secretion of the flowers was not affected," the researcher says. Spraying jasmonic acid on the green leaves also did not have an impact on the production of nectar in the flowers. However, when the scientist sprayed jasmonic acid directly on the flowers, nectar production increased dramatically. This clearly indicates that jasmonic acid has different functions in the different plant tissues: whereas the hormone activates defense mechanisms against herbivores in the leaves and the shoot of the plant, it regulates nectar production in the flower tissue.
The correlation between the production of jasmonic acid and nectar accumulation was demonstrated in experiments with an inhibitor: if the flowers had been treated with an inhibitor of jasmonic acid synthesis, the so-called phenidone, nectar production failed. If the substance was sprayed on young, still closed flower buds, however, their opening was inhibited, which confirms the importance of jasmonic acid also during the development of the flowers.
"The fact that jasmonic acid regulates so many functions, such as plant defense and pollination, is extremely interesting and raises new questions, especially concerning the evolution of these control mechanisms," says Martin Heil, the leader of the study. Wilhelm Boland, director at the Max Planck Institute in Jena, emphasizes: "The more we know about the hormonal effects on flower development and nectar production in agricultural crops like rapeseed, the better we can use this knowledge to ensure high yields." Even beekeepers could benefit from increased nectar production." [JWK, AO