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mantle7717

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Yo so I got no 190 proof in cali but if I went a lil ghetto and froze some 99 iso at -5 for like 2 hours with a fat bag of decent trim, then did a cold QISO..... could I vac it then clean it up/ winterize it with everclear151 or should I just winterise the iso solution, would this get me quality, and please don't mention any BHO B.S.
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qwizoking

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Yea you can winterize a qwiso extract.. I would definitely leave it in the freezer atleast 24 hours

is a little water in your ethanol such a bad thing? You pull more waxes but lose a little more flavor waiting for it to evap.. do a fresh frozen run and it will pull more terps

but if you can manage, qwiso can produce a beautiful extract that doesn't need cleaning.
 

mantle7717

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Yea you can winterize a qwiso extract.. I would definitely leave it in the freezer atleast 24 hours

is a little water in your ethanol such a bad thing? You pull more waxes but lose a little more flavor waiting for it to evap.. do a fresh frozen run and it will pull more terps

but if you can manage, qwiso can produce a beautiful extract that doesn't need cleaning.
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Grow Goddess

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Yo so I got no 190 proof in cali but if I went a lil ghetto and froze some 99 iso at -5 for like 2 hours with a fat bag of decent trim, then did a cold QISO..... could I vac it then clean it up/ winterize it with everclear151 or should I just winterise the iso solution, would this get me quality, and please don't mention any BHO B.S.
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I am questioning winterizing after the testing I have done. One thing I noticed, keep in mind the extractions were all done with 99% iso, when I winterize really good clean oil all it seemed to do is remove the good. The pretty color, flavinoids, and probably some CBDs and terpines too. It did not effect the potency though. It did make the product smoother, but the ganja flavors were missing. All smooth and yummy, just the intense flavors were gone. This was winterized with 190 proof grain alcohol.

I agree with qwisoking, the best oil does not need to be winterized, it does more harm than good.

I did do a comparison. I compared winterizing 99% iso extract with more 99% iso vs. winterizing 99% iso extract with 192 proof grain alcohol. At first, actually up until now, I was confident that the grain alcohol was the better way to go because the grain alcohol made the oil more transparent, cleaner, prettier. The iso winterizing seemed to have no effect on the color, but it did seem to remove the same amount of crap. Now I have to redo the test and compare it more for flavor rather than just looks.

Here is a picture. Just took a quick snapshot with my phone.

Top winterized iso to iso
Bottom winterzed iso to 192 proof grain alcohol
Winterized RSO 2 different solvents 2013_12230009.jpg

Edit: Forgot to mention the comparison was done with the same extract.
 

Fadedawg

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Iso has a dielectric constant of about 19.92 and the theoretical break between non polar and polar, is around 15. Subzero Isopropyl doesn't extract that many non-polar plant waxes in the first place.

Ethanol is only ~24.55, so the difference in polarity between the two will precipitate out some waxes, but typically doesn't make a profound difference.

Not nearly as profound as the difference in polarity between non-polar extractions like butane, pentane, or hexane, followed by winterizing in ethanol.
 

oilmkr420

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It was ruined by isopropyl. It's a disinfectant bro. Next time don't be so cheap, and follow instructions for Killing Oil Prices. It would cost about $25 per qp extracted, so way worth every penny, if true bomb is to be obtained. You get both polarities in the final product that is sweet tasting and smelling. Non-polar from the co2 and polar from the ethanol resulting in something you guys never had before, True Bomb.
 

Grow Goddess

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Iso has a dielectric constant of about 19.92 and the theoretical break between non polar and polar, is around 15. Subzero Isopropyl doesn't extract that many non-polar plant waxes in the first place.

Ethanol is only ~24.55, so the difference in polarity between the two will precipitate out some waxes, but typically doesn't make a profound difference.

Not nearly as profound as the difference in polarity between non-polar extractions like butane, pentane, or hexane, followed by winterizing in ethanol.
Yes, exactly correct. I did not flavor test though.
My last batch I did flavor test and winterizing with grain alcohol removed the ganja flavor (before winterizing I could taste each strain). The winterizing did smooth it out though.

Sorry olmkr, the iso oil was also compared to the original. I did very small efficient amounts. That is the way it is done. This is not fantasy island for me. The real deal. I really don't know where you get your information from.
Winterizing with the iso didn't ruin anything. It was already iso oil!. I did lose about 1/2 gram of crap though. No difference to me, I vape at least 15 grams per month anyway. Just some extras to play with.
 

oilmkr420

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I deemed iso "fake dab" and made it specifically for these kids when I noticed they were jacking me. I set it out as bait, as it looked like the real thing, but sure didn't kick like the real thing. I bet those kids were all like" Man I think co2 is losing his touch" So when ever they would come to my spot, I'd be looking at the fake dab, lifting an eyebrow, looking away as that was there cue to jack me, then let em' as the real co2 concentrate was in my pocket. Once in a while I would tease them calling them suckafish in for a dab, proving I haven't lost my touch, just that they lost privileges. So if little youngsters at 18 can tell the difference, so can a blind person, elderly, even stupid once they know what dabbing is all about. Please take no offense, instead take some advise and peep yourself on game following, Killing Oil Prices. Fucking simple instructions, proving no lab is needed to perform a supercritical fluid extraction. Its supercritical point is 88F, put it in a hot car after filling it up. The shit.
 

oilmkr420

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Waxes are really not obtained w butane either. They start to developing the harsh conditions of around 2,500psi-10,000psi. It's when your at these pressures wax is extracted. It's juicing the fuck out of the matrix, pulling out wax, ballast and things that just won't separate once introduced to the extract. Chemical extraction alone doesn't contribute to wax being formed, perhaps it's under purged is all? But generally is obtained through high pressure and temperature. Like 100c, 10kpsi is going to be a bulky waxy yield that is got lots of cannabinoids, but not in respect to the amount that dilutes the extract w undesired compounds of interest. It is acceptable as it was only cut w what came from the plant. Your best off purging butane out w acetone, winterizing is a waste and to do is a waste of money if you follow instructions, but few do. For bho, acetone works fuckin good. Isopropyl is like a kid w a cap gun. Ethanol is pretty fuckin gangsta, but you guys substitute in a style thats embarrassing. Never have I ever heard anyone preach about r134a to do the extraction, but after trying r113 which is the predecessor of r134a, I know you guys lack real leadership, so I post and you novices laugh, which in turn has me ROFLMAO. Ive worked w practically every solvent w exemption to MAP and acetylene C1-6 has been covered and seen upon magnification w co2 behind them, wouldn't use isopropyl ever for anything other than rinse the yield out my vessel. Even that's crap.
 

oilmkr420

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why not just freeze the isopropyl at -109 w the use of dry ice? It's called the poor mans liquid nitrogen. LOL.
 

lio lacidem

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Oilmkr why do you have too interject your bullshit into everybody's threads? Nobody wants to hear it anymore if people wanna hear your crap they will o in one of your 60 threads about nonsense. ..........

Now to original poster i wouldnt use 151 to winterize an iso extract made with 99.9%you'd be adding water content while removing some waxes. In my opinion
 

mantle7717

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Dude shut up oilmkr420 with the help of qwizoking are giving me the only useful advice on this forum

P.s. oilmaker 420, I got 200proof thanks for the advice... no more eeh iso flavor
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mantle7717

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I am questioning winterizing after the testing I have done. One thing I noticed, keep in mind the extractions were all done with 99% iso, when I winterize really good clean oil all it seemed to do is remove the good. The pretty color, flavinoids, and probably some CBDs and terpines too. It did not effect the potency though. It did make the product smoother, but the ganja flavors were missing. All smooth and yummy, just the intense flavors were gone. This was winterized with 190 proof grain alcohol.

I agree with qwisoking, the best oil does not need to be winterized, it does more harm than good.

I did do a comparison. I compared winterizing 99% iso extract with more 99% iso vs. winterizing 99% iso extract with 192 proof grain alcohol. At first, actually up until now, I was confident that the grain alcohol was the better way to go because the grain alcohol made the oil more transparent, cleaner, prettier. The iso winterizing seemed to have no effect on the color, but it did seem to remove the same amount of crap. Now I have to redo the test and compare it more for flavor rather than just looks.

Here is a picture. Just took a quick snapshot with my phone.

Top winterized iso to iso
Bottom winterzed iso to 192 proof grain alcohol
View attachment 3144538

Edit: Forgot to mention the comparison was done with the same extract.
im sorry but i dont think you know how to dewax, because i winterize every time now, and i can turn bam oil into shatterish ...back when i used iso for dewaxing i would get a brick of solid fat out of it, it resembles yellow butter, i always kinda want to spread it on toast. and trust me if you know dabs you can taste the unwinterized grease layer taste, i would exchange terps for potency any day.
 

Grow Goddess

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im sorry but i dont think you know how to dewax, because i winterize every time now, and i can turn bam oil into shatterish ...back when i used iso for dewaxing i would get a brick of solid fat out of it, it resembles yellow butter, i always kinda want to spread it on toast. and trust me if you know dabs you can taste the unwinterized grease layer taste, i would exchange terps for potency any day.
No, it is I who feels sorry for you.

You are mistaken in your assumptions.

The reason for my sorrow for you is you must be working with low grade materials, like leaf for instance. I don't work with that type of material. I only use my absolute best buds, the cream of the crop. Quick frozen extractions. There is no brick of crap to get out of my oil. If I were using low grade materials, well, I am sure there would be.

Have a look: One is RSO and the second is QWISO. In these pictures were the raw extraction, unrefined, no paper filtering only filtered by gravity. I can't count how many times I have put up pictures like these as an example.

RSO
Premium RSO 2013_0330-15.jpg

In this image of QWISO it is not easy to see, but there is over 40 grams of this. This oil was ejected out of a full syringe while still warm. I wonder if this were to have been winterized, how much would you expect to be removed from it?
RSO 2013.jpg

QWISO
Here are 3 of the 4 strains that I made. This is the raw extraction, no paper filtering either.

4-G QWISO sample ready to winterize 3-29-14 050.jpg Qush QWISO sample ready to winterize 3-29-14 047.jpg SBC Indica QWISO 99 iso 3-29-14 051.jpg

Then, I winterized just to see if it was worth it. Here is the final product.
QWISO hash winterized 4-2-14 020.jpg


In this case, winterizing was not worth it. 93% of the oil from the full extraction came out like the pictures above, really clean and premium. Out of the same material there was a dirtier batch that was lower grade. I do three washes and keep the third separate. I have been averaging about 7% of the extraction coming out lower grade going by my methods. Of course my methods have changed over the years.


Here you can see the amber oil on the left was over 90% of the extraction. The sample on the right was less than 10%.
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Understanding that everyone's methods will bring different results, this is just the way I have narrowed it down to and am sticking with it.

When I do extractions, I prefer to do it with at least 1/2 pound of premium bud. I have learned with QWISO to only do an ounce at a time, it stinks the house up too much. I learned this after doing this batch.

Just over one ounce of oil.
QWISO High Grade 30 grams 4-18-14 007.jpg
 

mantle7717

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So I took your advice and did a nug run with my 200 proof frozen and didn't dewax, I obtained some shatter but it is amber. It does taste a lot nicer, but in cali anything not gold-clear is unacceptable.... where did I screw up

P.s. I've seen the rick simpson oil video and what is the difference between ricksimpson oil and iso/naptha oil, is it the rice cooker that makes the difference or what
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Grow Goddess

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So I took your advice and did a nug run with my 200 proof frozen and didn't dewax, I obtained some shatter but it is amber. It does taste a lot nicer, but in cali anything not gold-clear is unacceptable.... where did I screw up

P.s. I've seen the rick simpson oil video and what is the difference between ricksimpson oil and iso/naptha oil, is it the rice cooker that makes the difference or what
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Thanks for trying my opinion (or advice).

That is the point I was at not too long ago. The amber shatter I would take any day over refined oil due to the medicinal properties. Keep in mind this was only your first attempt at that method. It took me many attempts to get it mastered. A lot is making two different batches using the same bud material keeping each batch separate. The best I have found with the strains I currently have (chosen for oil), two quick frozen rinses with 2 ounces of bud material, very dry bud material, in glass canning jars, the thick glass jars help the bud stay cold longer. The first two rinses will offer a cleaner extract. I shake the jars with 99% iso, which was also in the freezer so the temps are equal. If the bud is dry enough, as soon as you start shaking it the bud crumbles right off of the stems into tiny particles. The first two rinses are my premium, I average about 93%. The third rinse, also kept separate, whether it is RSO or QWISO. Well, oil produced from the first two rinses is outstanding when it comes to vaping. The taste is incredible. Just for the heck of it I winterized just to see if there would be an improvement (for experimental purposes only). The outcome of high quality oil winterized, it seemed to degrade it, at least when it came to the taste and color. Like pink from my Qwerkle, it took out the color. I would have to agree that when I take a hit from the winterized oil it does seem a bit more potent, maybe 10% more. With my experience, using my methods and strains, I would have to say it was a degradation. I really don't wan to offend anyone, just want to help. Yellow oil is a turn off to me. That means potent and smooth, but no ganja flavor, if done correctly.

The way I see it, there is only one difference between RSO and QWISO, you can also count BHO and QWET and other concentrates in the QWISO category. This difference is huge. The buzz difference is huge, how long the buzz lasts, the efficiency is extremely great. What makes RSO different is that the oil is decarbed during the process so it can be eaten, it does not need to be vaped or smoked. Eating RSO is totally different than smoking or vaping it. If I ate 1/2 gram of my RSO, I would be blown away for a couple of days. If I vape or smoke the same 1/2 gram of RSO it will not provide the same type of buzz or medicinal effect and the buzz usually only lasts hours, not days. Smoking or vaping, RSO processes more quickly through the body and is not nearly as extreme. I only use 99% iso to make my RSO. Also, I only use a $10-15 rice cooker and put a mesh splatter screen over it. Here is the problem with RSO, it makes smoking or vaping seem like a short buzz, petty actually. My current patients don't care for the RSO, they are scared of it, the buzz is too intense for them. Little tip, when the RSO is finished and put into the storage syringe, leave it in a dark area for about 6 weeks then eat a nice pea size amount. Making RSO is a more delicate process than QWISO, you need to be careful not to over heat or over cook it. If you got ganja and make RSO and do a good job, start off with a very small amount, like a grain of rice size amount. It can take 30 minutes to 1 hour to feel the effects. Sometimes 5 hours later, I will feel more buzzed. This is just a rice grain or two size dose. I wake up the next morning, have my cup of coffee and will still feel the effects. This is not for everyone. I don't recommend working on it. Since taking RSO, it was the first time I experienced short term memory loss using marijuana. One example, did I just take my dose or was I going to or thinking about it? This happened daily. I had to start marking it down as soon as I took the dose.

I put myself through the Rick Simpson program, had some extra vacation days, and before I was willing to treat a cancer patient, I wanted to try it myself to see what to expect. I had never seen marijuana even close to that potency! From there, I treated two cancer patients to see if the claims from the Run From the Cure video were real or BS. The claims of the potency were real, I confirmed that myself. It took me 6 weeks before I was able to increase the dose size to larger than rice grain size three times per day. I never saw anything like it. Give the RSO a try with the rice cooker and coffee cup warmer. Do not over cook it, and use patience. Take a small dose for the first time. As soon as the oil is done and put into the syringe it is potent, but will be more potent if you store it for 6 weeks and it will be fully and naturally decarbed. (I am now waiting 6 to 12 weeks to see if QWISO will do a natural decarb to where it can be eaten). I don't know yet, but will soon.

If you want to more about RSO or vaping concentrates, shoot me a PM and I will point you to everything I know about it.

I don't even smoke buds anymore, I only vape now. I also take small maintenance doses of RSO daily. This is not the same as the treatment. With three doses per day, there is no way I could go back to work.

Sorry for the lengthy post.

Edit: Forgot to mention that both cancer patients are each cancer free. I give full thanks to God for providing us with such a miracle plant capable of making a holy anointing oil.
 
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mantle7717

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Yo so I'm not gonna take this advice as I have no need to eat my oil, I'm just gonna keep on dewaxing single solvent extractions...qwet ftw..sooooooo
This is an old photo of an extraction from nug, 2 filters top and bottom filter in freezer filtering, 3rd image is top layer dried out
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dont you want to spread that fat on some toast
 

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