Best reflectors-Need help?

tom__420

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The origin of the term stems from a story about a group of teenagers at San Rafael High School in San Rafael, California, United States in 1971.[1][2] The teens would meet after school at 4:20 p.m. to smoke marijuana at the Louis Pasteur statue.
According to an April 2009 article on the Huffington Post, the group called itself the Waldos because its members hung out by a wall after school. Writer Ryan Grim, citing interviews with anonymous Waldos, claims that the group met by the statue at 4:20 p.m. to begin a search for a crop of unguarded cannabis growing near Point Reyes that they had heard about. They never found the stash, Grim writes, but smoked plenty of marijuana while looking for it.[3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/420_%28cannabis_culture%29#cite_note-2

 

Gippy666

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|Nice one thanks,i am often perplexed by Amereicanism's,thats a
cool story,i thought it was the statute or law no. for growing/using
marijuana,as in 187 for murder etc....you live and learn!!!
 

TeaTreeOil

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Mirrors do not reflect light they absorb it so a mirror on the ground would be bad. You don't need to worry about having your floor being reflective. Just put down a tarp or some plastic sheeting you use when you paint a room. As long as it is waterproof you are good to go
If mirrors absorbed light you would not see a reflection, it would be black. Are mirrors black? No. Can you see a reflection in a mirror? Yes. Obviously it's highly reflective.

Mirrors have nearly perfect reflection, meaning over 90% of the light striking the mirror is reflected and hitting your eyes. And doing so according to the law of reflectivity.

Glass is extremely transmissive at most angles. And glass used for mirrors is typically of the highest purity, and highest transmission.

Bulb filaments have glass around them... many hoods have glass barriers. Etc.... Humidity domes made of plastic absorb more light than glass does.

Which is why the best windows are also made of glass, and not something else. Because you need to see through them. Wouldn't be very good windows if you couldn't see through them.

:peace:
 

hazemaster

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very random question but i liked the response from "tom 420". I almost do indeed think also the 400mh would be to much heat and stress. How many cfl t-5 lights would it take to start off 8 plants in a room thats about 2.5x2.5? You think i'd be better off with a 150 mh light?
 

TeaTreeOil

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Those links are wildly inaccurate.

If mirrors reflected "only a small fraction" of light, THEY WOULD NOT BE MIRRORS. They'd be black, or off-black, a grey or gray. Apparently you need to look up the definition of what a mirror is.

Yea, the first link you post is completely asinine.

The second link is just purely ineptly assembled.

Aluminum does not reflect more than 92% of PAR. It's physically impossible.

The region which it does exceed 92%, up to 97-98% is infrared(radiant heat).

Aluminized Mylar reflects 97-98% of IR. This 'C3 anti-detection film' is based on bullshit claims.

Most white paints reflect substantial amounts of IR. Which is why white paints are used for roofs, also aluminum is used for roofs.

There is a distinct and clear relationship between the effectiveness of reflection for visible and IR for aluminum. The claim for emergency blankets is wrong. The ratios are way off. 90/97 That's the ratio. FAQs claims 70/90. That's a 15% difference.

Aluminum foil.... We've discussed this, reflects 96-98% of solar radiance, reflects 88-92% of PAR. That averages to 97% and 90%.

I will not discuss this with you further until you demonstrate a competence in basic science, and demonstrably reasonable deductive and inductive reasoning. Or you could just Google it, and 'rediscover' for yourself what I've been stating from a plethora of engineers, scientists, and PhDs.

I won't hold my breath. :peace:
 

tom__420

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If CFL's and aluminum foil are better than HID and mylar why do your plants not look as good as mine do?
 

hwy420

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I have just recently ordered OmniFlect (the best product availible through HTG Supply), I originally was just going to purchase mylar, but aparently omniflect is better than mylar and it's Black & White Poly competitor. It has a white plastic covered backing with a tin foil like front surface which reflects the light. It was fairly easy to use, and I installed it in my filing cabinet.

I've never used any other type of reflective material, and I just kinda had to take their word for it being better. I used Double Sided Scotch tape (really sticky) and this stuff stuck like a champion. (Thank my girlfriend for that)

I still need to get the back of the cabinet's OmniFlect installed.
 

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hwy420

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I just starting using Omniflect and it seems to be working out pretty well.

Aparently there is this stuff from a manufacturer of EasyGrow; Diamond Fusion Film. It's supposedly great for eliminating hot spots. http://www.thegrowlight.com/lightite-diamond-fusion-film-4.1-ft-x-100-ft.html

I do not believe it's used for the purpose of foilar growth reflective; it's used to prevent your local/state Law Enfocement from getting a heat signature from your grow room. It's what SOG used in his creation of his grow room, so i'm not taking any chances and want to sleep better at night anyway.
 

Trichome9

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I didn't want to make a new thread about it, so could someone suggest the best setup (Fan, ballast and reflector) for an HPS lamp for an area of about 5x5 feet?
 

hazemaster

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Id say the mylar works like a champ. Ive notice a big diff. in new growth since ive put it up on the the lower branches.
 

cowboylogic

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I use mylar but I think that flat white paint would be easier. Mylar is a bitch to hang and it doesn't clean very well. If you have the money five the omniflect a try. That stuff looks great, very reflective and apparently easy to hang
Omni is what I use. Easy to hang and very washable. Its awsum shit. Plus it contains IR.(infra-red)
 

Green Cross

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Flat white paint reflects more light and more evenly than aluminum foil. Home depot brand (bear) flat brilliant white is one of the whitest of them all. White elastomeric roof coating is also highly reflective (93%)

"Flat white paint contains little or no light-absorbing pigment, so it absorbs almost no light and reflects almost all light. Do not use glossy white, it contains varnish that inhibits reflective light. Foylon is a reflective material that reflects light and heat in an evenly dispersed pattern. It’s durable, and reflects about 95 percent of the light that hits it. The material is plied with rip-stop fiber and is thick enough to act as an insulation, Its also heat and flame resistant. Reflective mylar provides one of the most reflective surfaces possible… although mylar is expensive, mylar is preferred by mnany growers. The trick is to position it flat against a wall. To prevent rips and tears, place a piece of tape over the spot where the staple will be inserted. To increase mylars effectiveness, keep mylar clean.

Aluminum foil is one of the worst possible surfaces. The foil always crinkles up and reflects light in the wrong direction actually wasting light."

Source: Marijuana Horticulture By Jorge Cervantes

So I go with bear's flat brilliant white, and then add mylar as needed. I've found mylar, although highly reflective, also traps infrared raising the temperature a couple of degrees.
 

TeaTreeOil

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Reflectance is not the same as reflectivity. White paint has very high reflectance, while a mirror has very high reflectivity(technically defined by how close it is to mirror image), and very high reflectance(the sum of all reflected radiance, diffuse or specular, it sometimes even includes the emissivity caused by incident light).

Foylon is laminated aluminum foil. How is a plastic coating over aluminum going to help reflectivity? It's not, it hurts it. Aluminum doesn't reflect more than 92% of visible light. It's not physically possible for aluminum alone to do this, you'd have to coat it with magnesium fluoride or some other fluorescent coating to achieve over 92% in the visible region of light.

Cleaning aluminized Mylar?! You've obviously never dealt with this material. Talk about an exercise in futility. It's flimsy as all hell. Good luck if you can even get it hung flat, something, uh, I don't think I've ever seen. Usually it's wavey or otherwise distorted('hot spots' and uneven reflection), even if you managed to apply it correctly, it'll likely not be that way for long unless you get the real thick aluminized Mylar where the aluminum holds it together better. And if you clean it?! Impossible to keep it mint. Foil? You could throw it away, it's cheap.

You'd have to be a moron to crinkle up aluminum foil to the point it becomes a 'light waster'. It's really simple, apply glue to a surface evenly, take the foil OUT of the carton it comes in, unroll it, DO NOT use the stupid cutter on the carton, use scissors. Use a soft clothe to smooth it out nicely bonding it to the surface with the glue. Viola. Nearly perfect piece of nearly pure aluminum.

Mylar does have as much as 2x the ability to specularly(mirror-like) reflect light as does aluminum foil. And aluminum foil has as much as 2x the ability to specularly reflect light as does white paint.

Yes, white paint more 'evenly' diffuses light. They even make white paints with as much or even slightly more reflectance than aluminum foil. The light it does reflect off the surface is less intense, though, as it's not as specular as foil, and is two times as diffuse(nearly 100%). The throw/penetration of the light is most substantially lowered by this difference. Making white walls very unideal for reflecting back USABLE light by the time it hits the plant(s). Very good for the relatively low light humans find comfortable. White paint is for humans, aluminum surfaces are best for plants which thrive under much more intense light than us humans find comfortable. Aluminum lighting sheet is the absolute best material for this purpose. Aluminized Mylar is also very good though, as is aluminum foil(which side DOES NOT matter significantly -it's negligible).

But really, do the measurements, if the distance from the bulb to the wall, back to the plant is greater than the ideal range of the bulb... you're wasting your time. Get more bulbs, or higher wattage bulbs. You'll be much better off.

Oh, and then there's: https://www.rollitup.org/toke-n-talk/78536-jorge-cervantes-big-fat-idiot.html
 

hwy420

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So what reflective materials is the very best to prevent hotspots from showing up on the Law Enforcement FLIR (Forward Looking InfaRed)?
 
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