Beaumont Hospital no longer recognizes medical marijuana

gladstoned

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My girlfriend has severe crohn's disease. Takes several medications and has her Marihuana card. Today at William Beaumont Pain Clinic on Coolidge in Royal Oak told her they changed their policy and no longer help medical marijuana patients. She has to quit smoking and pass a drug test (for marijuana) in order to get any more pain meds. She has been going there over three years. Does anyone know anything about this bullshit?
 

Masonic72

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imho this violates her 4th amendment . right to privacy..
what she does is noonee buisness ecpt hers .. who do they think they are?
 

st0wandgrow

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My girlfriend has severe crohn's disease. Takes several medications and has her Marihuana card. Today at William Beaumont Pain Clinic on Coolidge in Royal Oak told her they changed their policy and no longer help medical marijuana patients. She has to quit smoking and pass a drug test (for marijuana) in order to get any more pain meds. She has been going there over three years. Does anyone know anything about this bullshit?
I'm pretty certain that what they're doing is at a minimum unethical, if not flat out illegal. You can't deny someone medical treatment due to race, religion, age, etc .... so I don't see how they could discriminate against your girlfriend either.
 

fdd2blk

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http://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/article/20120104/NEWS01/301040020/Updated-Michigan-welfare-drug-testing-proposal-debated-?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Frontpage

[h=1]Updated: Michigan welfare drug testing proposal debated[/h]
LANSING — Gov. Rick Snyder's office says it's too early to tell if Michigan will push to require drug tests for welfare applicants, an issue likely to be debated in many states this year.Requiring a clean drug test as a condition for receiving cash assistance would have some support within the Republican-led state Legislature. But supporters want to make sure the plan would survive a legal challenge, unlike a Michigan plan from more than a decade ago that was derailed by federal courts.
New legislation that would require passing a drug test as a condition of receiving cash assistance was introduced in the state House last month. Alternatives to that proposal are possible.
The Michigan Department of Human Services, under orders from the state Legislature, recently prepared a memo related to possible drug testing of welfare applicants and recipients. The department said the testing would be “feasible” and could include a possible pilot program for suspicion-based drug testing of welfare cash assistance applicants and recipients.
Suspicion would be based on the results of drug screening, which could range from questions on welfare applications to “professional screening tools.”
The merits of such a plan will be debated and evaluated, but it's not guaranteed to be implemented.
“It's too early and premature at this point in the process for any further speculation,” Sara Wurfel, a spokeswoman for the Republican governor, told The Associated Press in an email this week.
Some previous plans to drug test welfare applicants have run up against constitutional protections against unreasonable search and seizure.
Michigan briefly ran a pilot program to drug test welfare recipients in late 1999. The American Civil Liberties Union sued, and a federal appeals court eventually ruled the drug testing plan violated the constitution.
Florida last year approved a law requiring drug tests for welfare applicants, but it's on hold because of a legal challenge.
Other states have tried different approaches. Missouri enacted a law that requires the state's social services agency to develop a program for screening welfare applicants and recipients, and then test those for whom there is reasonable cause to suspect illegal drug use. People who refuse to be checked, and those who test positive and do not complete a substance abuse program, will be ineligible for benefits through the welfare program for three years. While participating in a substance abuse program, people could keep their benefits.


Many other states are proposing plans to drug test applicants or recipients for some public assistance programs. The proposals likely will be debated in Alabama, Indiana, Ohio, Tennessee and other states this year.
In Michigan, a bill that would require a clean drug test as a condition of cash assistance eligibility is pending in the state House. The measure does not specify suspicion-based testing and appears to be broader, potentially applying to all applicants.
Republican House Speaker Jase Bolger has not yet taken a position on the issue, spokesman Ari Adler said.
Republican Senate Majority Leader Randy Richardville voted in favor of similar legislation when he was a member of the state House, spokeswoman Amber McCann said.
“Many employers require applicants to take a drug test prior to being offered a job, and even go on to test employees routinely,” McCann said in a statement.
Supporters of the plan also consider it a safeguard of taxpayer money.
Some groups question why the state might move to single out welfare applicants for drug testing as opposed to other recipients of taxpayer money.
“The question arises why is the state singling out and punishing poor people,” said Michael Steinberg, ACLU of Michigan's legal director. “There's a whole range of people who receive government assistance.”
 

gladstoned

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She smoked and it was fine when it was illegal? WTF? There is no doubt in my mind her rights are violated. She travels downstate for a doctors appointment and then calls me crying. Never a good thing.
 

gladstoned

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http://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/article/20120104/NEWS01/301040020/Updated-Michigan-welfare-drug-testing-proposal-debated-?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Frontpage

Updated: Michigan welfare drug testing proposal debated


LANSING — Gov. Rick Snyder's office says it's too early to tell if Michigan will push to require drug tests for welfare applicants, an issue likely to be debated in many states this year.Requiring a clean drug test as a condition for receiving cash assistance would have some support within the Republican-led state Legislature. But supporters want to make sure the plan would survive a legal challenge, unlike a Michigan plan from more than a decade ago that was derailed by federal courts.
New legislation that would require passing a drug test as a condition of receiving cash assistance was introduced in the state House last month. Alternatives to that proposal are possible.
The Michigan Department of Human Services, under orders from the state Legislature, recently prepared a memo related to possible drug testing of welfare applicants and recipients. The department said the testing would be “feasible” and could include a possible pilot program for suspicion-based drug testing of welfare cash assistance applicants and recipients.
Suspicion would be based on the results of drug screening, which could range from questions on welfare applications to “professional screening tools.”
The merits of such a plan will be debated and evaluated, but it's not guaranteed to be implemented.
“It's too early and premature at this point in the process for any further speculation,” Sara Wurfel, a spokeswoman for the Republican governor, told The Associated Press in an email this week.
Some previous plans to drug test welfare applicants have run up against constitutional protections against unreasonable search and seizure.
Michigan briefly ran a pilot program to drug test welfare recipients in late 1999. The American Civil Liberties Union sued, and a federal appeals court eventually ruled the drug testing plan violated the constitution.
Florida last year approved a law requiring drug tests for welfare applicants, but it's on hold because of a legal challenge.
Other states have tried different approaches. Missouri enacted a law that requires the state's social services agency to develop a program for screening welfare applicants and recipients, and then test those for whom there is reasonable cause to suspect illegal drug use. People who refuse to be checked, and those who test positive and do not complete a substance abuse program, will be ineligible for benefits through the welfare program for three years. While participating in a substance abuse program, people could keep their benefits.


Many other states are proposing plans to drug test applicants or recipients for some public assistance programs. The proposals likely will be debated in Alabama, Indiana, Ohio, Tennessee and other states this year.
In Michigan, a bill that would require a clean drug test as a condition of cash assistance eligibility is pending in the state House. The measure does not specify suspicion-based testing and appears to be broader, potentially applying to all applicants.
Republican House Speaker Jase Bolger has not yet taken a position on the issue, spokesman Ari Adler said.
Republican Senate Majority Leader Randy Richardville voted in favor of similar legislation when he was a member of the state House, spokeswoman Amber McCann said.
“Many employers require applicants to take a drug test prior to being offered a job, and even go on to test employees routinely,” McCann said in a statement.
Supporters of the plan also consider it a safeguard of taxpayer money.
Some groups question why the state might move to single out welfare applicants for drug testing as opposed to other recipients of taxpayer money.
“The question arises why is the state singling out and punishing poor people,” said Michael Steinberg, ACLU of Michigan's legal director. “There's a whole range of people who receive government assistance.”
Dude, she has a terminal illness. Has had three major surgeries. She spends on average of a few hours everyday crying from the pain and cramps. She's on all kinds of shit, which is why she goes to a pain management clinic.
 

fdd2blk

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Dude, she has a terminal illness. Has had three major surgeries. She spends on average of a few hours everyday crying from the pain and cramps. She's on all kinds of shit, which is why she goes to a pain management clinic.
it's your state doing it, not me. i'm just sharing what i just heard on the news.
 

gladstoned

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it's your state doing it, not me. i'm just sharing what i just heard on the news.
I wasn't trying to sound shitty. I was just saying cutting food stamps is different than stringing out a patient on all kinds of shit, then denying them? She has always smoked and they have always known and said "If it helps, then keep doing it".
 

Mr.Therapy Man 2

Active Member
Most states like mine have laws that say no illigall drugs can taken while under the dr. care.(they also think its unethical if they are not getting rich off of it)My doc at my pain management lets me smoke marijuana and I also have marinol presription to cover his ass.That my be another avenue is get a marinal presription and just use them to pass her urine test.Ive been on the marinol for a few years now and thats the only way my docs let my smokeing slide. They cant tell the difference on a urine test in marinol or smoke
 

gladstoned

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Most states like mine have laws that say no illigall drugs can taken while under the dr. care.My doc at my pain management lets me smoke marijuana and I also have marinol presription to cover his ass.That my be another avenue is get a marinal presription and just use them to pass her urine test.Ive been on the marinol for a few years now and thats the only way my docs let my smokeing slide. They cant tell the difference on a urine test in marinol or smoke
They did offer her marinol.
The difference with her situation is that she doesn't take any illegal drugs.
I really don't see how she can risk lying when they drug test her. She needs to spend tomorrow driving home and Friday call and find another pain clinic.
 

st0wandgrow

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They did offer her marinol.
The difference with her situation is that she doesn't take any illegal drugs.
I really don't see how she can risk lying when they drug test her. She needs to spend tomorrow driving home and Friday call and find another pain clinic.
I can't believe they'd drug test her. WTF!!
 

fdd2blk

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I wasn't trying to sound shitty. I was just saying cutting food stamps is different than stringing out a patient on all kinds of shit, then denying them? She has always smoked and they have always known and said "If it helps, then keep doing it".
i was trying to point out the direction in which your STATE is going. it could be where the hospital is getting it's "incentive" from.
 

gladstoned

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i was trying to point out the direction in which your STATE is going. it could be where the hospital is getting it's "incentive" from.
OK. I got you.
Ya. You are right. This marijuana law is like when my parents did something nice, then took that shit back away and pissed me off.
 

specialk2

Member
I can't believe they'd drug test her. WTF!!
after working at a dispensary, you hear a lot of stories of doctors who pull this shit... they want their patient drug tested and if they pop negative they will cut all meds. sick policies they pass, and many fight to change it...

same thing goes for businesses and employees... a doctor cannot in anyway shape or form share your medical information including a marihuana card, especially to your employer, some do and lawsuits follow fast
 

purklize

Active Member
Getting a Marinol prescription sounds like a very good idea... it's expensive stuff but you don't need to fill it. And hell, maybe it'd actually help somewhat with Crohn's and be an option for travelling to non-mmj states. I learned my lesson years ago with pain docs. You have to play the game. Get the Marinol prescription. They can be very callous with patients and certainly were with me. I made the mistake of being honest and telling them I'd tried 16 meds over the course of years and all options had been exhausted, and that *I* was exhausted from the pain and really needed SOMETHING, at least some Vicodins... they threw my ass out the door... if I'd just played the game and let them go through their list of things they try on every patient before giving out serious meds I'd probably be crosseyed on Oxycontin right now...
 

gladstoned

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You bring up some good points after I have slept on this. It is a shame how being honest with your doctor can be a bad decision. It would be worth it, if it works. If it doesn't work, then she we be without meds. The odd thing about it to me is that I found out that only a few VA centers recognize it in the whole nation. They are in Michigan. I would expect this from them, but they are slowly transitioning towards recognizing it.
 

tranka32

Active Member
It's called "The War On Pain" and doctors are fighting it all over the country! They have are worried about their medical license being in jeopardy. The D... E... a have been scrutinizing how and what they prescribe. When will it end?
 

stumpjumper

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What a crock of shit. Sorry for your wife and the struggle she has to go through now, I hope she can find a new clinic that will help her out.

What the fuck is wrong with doctors that pull shit like this, they know goddamned well that patients are benefiting from the treatment of cannabis. Bastards, you'd like to drag them out to the parking lot and beat their ass down...
 

purklize

Active Member
Also, if they yank her off her meds, let me know via PM, I'll hook you up with a good source for kratom. It and cannabis are the only pain medications I can get. Kratom's very cheap, very safe, and I'd compare the effect mentally to a solid dose of hydrocodone... not as good for pain as conventional opiates, but it'll definitely stop withdrawals. IMO I'd encourage her to stop using cannabis until she can get Marinol as a cover... I never notice anything if I stop smoking, but I know stopping opiates suddenly can be very rough on the mind and body, not good for those who already ill...
 

gladstoned

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Also, if they yank her off her meds, let me know via PM, I'll hook you up with a good source for kratom. It and cannabis are the only pain medications I can get. Kratom's very cheap, very safe, and I'd compare the effect mentally to a solid dose of hydrocodone... not as good for pain as conventional opiates, but it'll definitely stop withdrawals. IMO I'd encourage her to stop using cannabis until she can get Marinol as a cover... I never notice anything if I stop smoking, but I know stopping opiates suddenly can be very rough on the mind and body, not good for those who already ill...
Thank you. I've been with her 13 years, the whole not smoking thing won't last a half hour. lmfao. She THOUGHT she had to quit once many years ago for some small probation bullshit, she thought she would have to quit for three days to get the shit to clean out your system. It was absolutely crazy how she reacted. She definitely loves marijuana more than she does me or anything else. I am all for marijuana, but the whole idea that it isn't addictive and it doesn't affect your memory is bullshit. Anyway, what were we talking about? oh. lol.
I think the only option is finding a new doctor.
When marijuana became legal she was pulled over and the cop arrested her for possession even though she had her card. She was charged with operating under the influence. It was a very very big deal. She was on the news every time they went to court. She was in the newspapers. Several people picketed at the courthouse. She really got fucked. All kinds of people told her "FIGHT IT", well its been years, it's in the Michigan Supreme court and it has cost her thousands of dollars and a fucking nightmare. People say fight, WHEN IT ISNT THEM. People and organizations promised help with attorneys. HA! not a dime. Anyway my point is this. This poor woman has been raked through the fucking coals, hasn't done anything wrong. (on the traffic thing. She was driving 6 mph over the limit on a empty state highway in the UP. Wasn't stoned, wasn't burning one. Cop asked if she had any drugs in the car after running her name and she said she had her card and smoke and.... never tell a cop nothin. lol)
 
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