Any other plants ALSO use the 18/6 or 12/12 light schedules?

Keif.

Keif.

Member
Hello-

I have been growing some herb for the past ten years and never really ventured outside of that.

I have taken a pretty big interest in horticulture and also grow some cactus' and venus fly traps year round.

HOWEVER-
I am looking to use some of my old gear or cabinets for growing some non MJ plants or even through them in the same cab if I have room.

I know tomatoes use the same lighting schedule, but other than that I am not sure.

Anyone have any good herbs, fruits, veggies or other things that I could grow for fun under the same lighting as I use for my buds?

Thanks!
 
Abiqua

Abiqua

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I guess it depends on what you want to grow, because the choices are endless.

Since you can alter the light schedule anyway you want, sky's the limit in most cases.

That said:

mint [pineapple, catnip]
peppers [california wonders, habanero / scotch bonnets]

microgreens [where you are growing for just the tops/ or leaves]
- lettuce, cabbage, bok choy, radish leaves, radiciocho?, brussel sprouts, mustard greens, collared greens, celery,

herbs - [mint]....pineapple/catnip [dill] [cilantro/coriander] [thyme] [basil][arugula aka rocket] [parsley] [sage]

other veggies - [onions] [garlic] [leeks-can be finicky] [peppers] [full radishes-30-40 days seed to harvest] [peas]


-----[Shoot, I should have edited it, so that it was according to pH.....most grow fairly well in a medium and nutes for cannabis as well, some will offer problems with needing alkalinity, but few. ]
 
Keif.

Keif.

Member
Hey man. I really appreciate that detailed response. I will have to go buy some books and read up on what I want to grow. I am surprised there are so many options.

Again, thanks very much.
 
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TMill420

Active Member
Yes ... Verydetailed

I am wanting to do some basil, parsley, etc. I really want to try some Tomato's (for green tomatoes) This will be my 1st ever at any gardening.
Having a hard time finding seeds this time of yr, I guess ?

BTW ... Can a tomato plant be cloned ? just curious. ha

Thanks much ;-)
 
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TMill420

Active Member
Thanks Keif

I was just there the other day. Found some decent prices on a few items (pots, perlite, etc). They had some left over bulbs (mostly tulips) but no seeds.
Weather is way dif here than SoCal brother. Cold rain tonight, calling for snow in the morn.
Stores are geared up for xmas already ... the garden dept at wally is empty and full of xmas tree's, lights and shit.

Seeds are hard to find. I have been down since May due to a surgery and missed out I guess. I really wanted to grow this winter.

Thanks
 
Keif.

Keif.

Member
TMill420 said:
Thanks Keif

I was just there the other day. Found some decent prices on a few items (pots, perlite, etc). They had some left over bulbs (mostly tulips) but no seeds.
Weather is way dif here than SoCal brother. Cold rain tonight, calling for snow in the morn.
Stores are geared up for xmas already ... the garden dept at wally is empty and full of xmas tree's, lights and shit.

Seeds are hard to find. I have been down since May due to a surgery and missed out I guess. I really wanted to grow this winter.

Thanks
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Hey man. Check amazon for seeds if you can't find any message me and I can always grab some next time I go to the store and ship them to you.
 
bass1014

bass1014

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wouldn't you need to have the flowers pollinated to produce tomato's ?? just a thought for inside growin of the veggies. outside the bee's pollinate the flowers and then your fruit starts to show, how is that done inside?? i grew tomato's in my room one yer and no tomato's showed up, had yellow flowers but no fruit. didn't get pollinated by mother nature..
 
billy4479

billy4479

Moderator
Keif. said:
Hello-

I have been growing some herb for the past ten years and never really ventured outside of that.

I have taken a pretty big interest in horticulture and also grow some cactus' and venus fly traps year round.

HOWEVER-
I am looking to use some of my old gear or cabinets for growing some non MJ plants or even through them in the same cab if I have room.

I know tomatoes use the same lighting schedule, but other than that I am not sure.

Anyone have any good herbs, fruits, veggies or other things that I could grow for fun under the same lighting as I use for my buds?

Thanks!
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Well I think the terms you are searching for is day neutral long day and short day plants .. Tomatoes and peppers are day neutral they don't care about the hours of dark or light they receive in order to begin generative growth . hope that helps
 
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TMill420

Active Member
bass1014 said:
wouldn't you need to have the flowers pollinated to produce tomato's ?? just a thought for inside growin of the veggies. outside the bee's pollinate the flowers and then your fruit starts to show, how is that done inside?? i grew tomato's in my room one yer and no tomato's showed up, had yellow flowers but no fruit. didn't get pollinated by mother nature..
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Well ... Lots of folks seem to have very good luck with indoor tomatoes. I had the same question. Here is an a bit from the Wiki (here) on pollination.

Pollination

In the wild, original state, tomatoes required cross-pollination; they were much more self-incompatible than domestic cultivars. As a floral device to reduce selfing, the pistil of wild tomatoes extends farther out of the flower than today's cultivars. The stamens were, and remain, entirely within the closed corolla. As tomatoes were moved from their native areas, their traditional pollinators, (probably a species of halictid bee) did not move with them.[SUP][28][/SUP] The trait of self-fertility became an advantage, and domestic cultivars of tomato have been selected to maximize this trait.[SUP][28][/SUP]
This is not the same as self-pollination, despite the common claim that tomatoes do so. That tomatoes pollinate themselves poorly without outside aid is clearly shown in greenhouse situations, where pollination must be aided by artificial wind, vibration of the plants (one brand of vibrator is a wand called an "electric bee" that is used manually), or more often today, by cultured bumblebees.[SUP][citation needed][/SUP] The anther of a tomato flower is shaped like a hollow tube, with the pollen produced within the structure, rather than on the surface, as in most species. The pollen moves through pores in the anther, but very little pollen is shed without some kind of outside motion. The best source of outside motion is a sonicating bee, such as a bumblebee, or the original wild halictid pollinator. In an outside setting, wind or animals provide sufficient motion to produce commercially viable crops.
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TMill420

Active Member
Keif. said:
Hey man. Check amazon for seeds if you can't find any message me and I can always grab some next time I go to the store and ship them to you.
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I will ... did'nt think about Amazon. lol
Thanks for the offer. I will look around a bit more and lyk

Thanks
TM
 
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skatercodyme

Member
seedsnow.com

I use that for all my organic vegetable seeds, they are awesome. Definitely check into growing organic, and the best way to start is with organic heirloom seed.
I am starting this years indoor garden next week, I have a 8x4 tent with 2 4ft 8 bulb t5 fixtures.
Going to put lettuce/spinach/cabbage on one side, and bigger plants like tomatoes/bell peppers/peas on the other
 
Abiqua

Abiqua

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http://www.victoryseeds.com/
http://www.territorialseed.com/


  • Victory rocks, about the only ones I use now for veggies and randoms, they have a smaller selection [but randoms make up!] [and they have a Buyers club too][..and organic heirloom]
  • Territorial has a good selection.
  • Both ship just about anywhere [but read to make sure]


Please check out The Hydroponic Hothouse. Written awhile.....back, but still relevant, dude lived up in Taos, with a half buried greenhouse. He delves into hydro, greenhouses and day length qualities of plants. He was straight and never grew but one of his best quotes, is something like [this was in the early 70's too]..."the best farmers of my generation had gone underground, particularly to cultivate marijuana.....good read for anyone.

billy4479 said:
Well I think the terms you are searching for is day neutral long day and short day plants .. Tomatoes and peppers are day neutral they don't care about the hours of dark or light they receive in order to begin generative growth . hope that helps
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Keif. said:
Hey man. I really appreciate that detailed response. I will have to go buy some books and read up on what I want to grow. I am surprised there are so many options.

Again, thanks very much.
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Abiqua

Abiqua

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Research into what NASA has been growing over the last 50 years or so. They have released some pert info.

I used to be a chemist for a company that developed the space pee technology turning urine back into water. I didn't work in that department, per se, but I got to follow along. When they developed the tech, Astronauts could now re-drink their urine as water and experiments watering plants were done and written about while in orbit. Simulations I believe have been attempted for things like Mars travel.....or at least we are told they are. bongsmilie
 
Abiqua

Abiqua

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I have a California Wonder Pepper [Green Bell] going right now in with 2 vegging ladies. 62w's of Cfl @17/7.

21% 4000k / 21%5000k / 48% 2700k

Seems to be doing ok @ at this time length. Hasn't done much but is healthy @ 3 weeks? .....Getting ready to build a 60w led grow light prototype [dimmable 4000/3000k]. Going to build 2 of them: one for flowering my cheese clones! and one for a vegetable chamber, grape tomatoes, heirloom, 1 st victim.


bass1014 said:
wouldn't you need to have the flowers pollinated to produce tomato's ?? just a thought for inside growin of the veggies. outside the bee's pollinate the flowers and then your fruit starts to show, how is that done inside?? i grew tomato's in my room one yer and no tomato's showed up, had yellow flowers but no fruit. didn't get pollinated by mother nature..
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In the past Bass, I remember using the brush trick back a few years ago for some I grew inside [but in summer], just trying to find pollen and brushing flowers carefully. Don't know if this works and the wild pollination method chances, probably describe it best.

But what I find interesting is that the tomato, potato, tobacco and pepper are all related coming from the Andes. Melons and maize too, which are NOT pollinated by bees. I don't know the pollination habits of the other three Solanacea's but it seems that they might have relied on things other than bees for pollination.
Flies account for 17% of all pollination too. That's a bit. [I will dig up a source, if a challenge arises, NRCS?]
 
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