6 weeks into flower serious problems. Any thoughts?

bdt1981

bdt1981

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Doubt they will sell equipment.







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5 month veg cuz they planted seeds b4 they had a flower room. They hap problems with the city and got stuck without a flower room.

Im going to enjoy running veg and flower in same room. Then just have a mothers and clones room.
 
bdt1981

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Craziest thing my friend showed this dispensary owner a bud of t5 start to finish blue dream and dude wanted to buy 40 lbs right there
 
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Skunk Baxter said:
Well, first of all, I'm sure you know by now that this grow is toast. There's no saving it at this point, unless that genius from Colorado can invent a time machine and go back and do about a half dozen things completely differently. You say they vegged for 5 freakin' months? Why? Why did anyone think that was a good idea? I'm surprised they didn't all start to flower just from the stress of vegging that long in 6-inch pots.

I'll tell you what happened. By the time they up-potted, the plants (especially the root systems) were stressed to the breaking point from being packed into those tiny pots for so long. The root balls must have been as hard as rocks, with most of the roots dead and choking each other off. What they should have done was break up the outside edges of the root ball and loosen up the roots when they transplanted, but I'm going to bet they were too dumb to do that. (Although as I think about it, it might not have mattered. After 5 months of vegging in gallon pots, those roots were probably in terrible shape).

But anyway... between that and packing the new coco in as hard as they could (which completely defeats one of the main advantages of growing in coco), the root systems never developed. I'll bet if you pulled one of those plants, they'd come right up out of the pot with a solid 6-inch cube of roots at the bottom. It might have helped to use an enzyme product to break down the dead roots, but they probably didn't do that either.

Because there aren't enough healthy roots to take up nutrients, you're seeing salt buildup. Because the plants probably never did well after transplanting, they probably tried to compensate by overfertilizing (because they did everything else wrong; why not that, too?) That's why you're getting 4000 ppm runoff.

So you've got half-dead root systems packed into the middle of buckets of overpacked, soaking wet coco, with no oxygen or healthy root microbes, surrounded by a toxic brew of heavy fertilizers, and unable to to use any of the nutes because the roots aren't healthy and now they're nute-locked too. This is way too many problems to fix this far into flower. If they'd up-potted sooner (much sooner), broken up the outside of the rootballs, dusted them with Great White , Oregonism, or some similar product as they transplanted, packed the coco more loosely, used an enzyme product regularly, and followed a more intelligent watering and feeding process, they might have gotten a nice crop. But that's way too many things that should have been done differently, and it's too late to go back and do it again. Even flushing isn't going to do any good if the roots are as bad as I think they are; it'll just saturate that overpacked coco and promote rot.

I don't know where you guys live, but if you were close to me, I'd sure love to buy that guy's equipment when he sells it at 10 cents on the dollar next month!
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The cycle isnt dead only some of the plants. There still lot of big plants that didnt see the problem.
 
Skunk Baxter

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bdt1981 said:
The cycle isn't dead only some of the plants. There still lot of big plants that didnt see the problem.
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I wonder what the difference is. It might be as simple as the coco being packed more loosely, but more likely it was that those plants had better root systems and their roots managed to establish themselves in the new pots. When it's all done, you might want to dig into the pots and investigate. I'd sure be curious.
 
bdt1981

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Skunk Baxter said:
I wonder what the difference is. It might be as simple as the coco being packed more loosely, but more likely it was that those plants had better root systems and their roots managed to establish themselves in the new pots. When it's all done, you might want to dig into the pots and investigate. I'd sure be curious.
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Def going to look at the root balls when done. I told them from day 1 i thought it was root issues. But they wanted to disagree. Haha and just learned some were comin out the pots after transplant because roots never fully established in some
 
Skunk Baxter

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bdt1981 said:
Def going to look at the root balls when done. I told them from day 1 i thought it was root issues. But they wanted to disagree. Haha and just learned some were comin out the pots after transplant because roots never fully established in some
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Ha! Yeah, that's exactly what I figured.

In order to evolve from a new grower into a good grower, you have to learn from your experiences and have an intuitive sense of what's happening with your plants and why. If you don't have that, you'll never be much good at it. Frankly, it doesn't sound as though your friend has that. Hopefully, he'll learn to develop that.
 
Skunk Baxter

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bdt1981 said:
Its so funny they called a wannabe grower from colo to get these results.
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Yeah; I'd be curious to know how they found this guy. But I suppose that if you don't know much about growing to begin with, you won't know to ask the right question when you're interviewing someone.

Sounds like the guy knows he completely fucked up, and is just hoping that he can get away with blaming it on the nutes because he knows your friend won't know the difference.
 
bdt1981

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His son in law. Prob is my buddy bullshits about everything. Said he was runnin a gro in colo for few yrs then was going to michigan to grow then ended up back here. Tbh i dont know what he knows. He knows his way around plants. But it is beyond me why he packed 6gallon of coco perlite out the bag mix with no extra anything into a 5 gal smart pot with a 1 gal rock of a rootball.
I transplanted about 60 that had been in veg about 4 months into the 5 gal like normal and filled them up without any packingvofvthe coco. Maybe a lil press. These guys are so lazy. For 250 per 5-8 hr day i didnt feel like it was enough to gro their shit. I got them into flower and told them to watch them and cut down if they get to tall. 4ft plants some were 7ft not even half way thru flower. Falling over outgrew the room burned bad on lights. Because they expected me to do it all. Fuck that im tryin to gro my own unless they wanna pay me like 500 per day or 100 per hr whatever is bigger.
Those plants grew out of control. I have some vids on the kik app but cant seem how to figure out how to upload vids here. Im talking after getting 1/6 strength since day one i realized how they were measuring their nutes and told them. It was a jungle and a shame they couldnt maintain the canopy. My 2 days a week in there wasnt enough.
 
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I have a similar situation but I’m growing NoTill and have a blumat watering system. I am 99% sure my roots are too wet and locked out the plant. I use only water too! No nutrients. My other issue is PH...since we use water only we have the water coming straight from the outside faucet right into the blumat reservoir. With organic growing they say you don’t need to worry about PH but I’m not feeling good about that and will be PHing the next grow to see if this happens again. I’ll also be keeping a closer eye and first sign of trouble I’ll flush.
Hope this all makes sense and I didn’t ramble!
 
bdt1981

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HeyBud! said:
I have a similar situation but I’m growing NoTill and have a blumat watering system. I am 99% sure my roots are too wet and locked out the plant. I use only water too! No nutrients. My other issue is PH...since we use water only we have the water coming straight from the outside faucet right into the blumat reservoir. With organic growing they say you don’t need to worry about PH but I’m not feeling good about that and will be PHing the next grow to see if this happens again. I’ll also be keeping a closer eye and first sign of trouble I’ll flush.
Hope this all makes sense and I didn’t ramble!
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If there arent any nutrient to uptake it prob dont matter. I expect a small yield with no nutrient
 
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So all the plants were in different stages of the problem when harvested. The buds look worse than i ever saw. I have never seen anything like this. The problem started and never stopped. Some just took longer to get it. So the roots were pretty throughout each pot.
So heres some thoughts. Possible overwatering, they got watered ever other day. Always about 2hrs b4 lights out. So could that be where the buildip came from? There were quite a bit of tiny gnats. Could they be the problem? Any thoughts will be appreciated
 
xtsho

xtsho

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The problem is some idiot that doesn't know how to grow fried the plants. End of story.
 
BenGman

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Coco being packed too much!? , Seriously lol if that was the case you'd see other signs rather than the fans being cooked from over heating..
 
bdt1981

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BenGman said:
Coco being packed too much!? , Seriously lol if that was the case you'd see other signs rather than the fans being cooked from over heating..
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Idk i dont use coco. Overheating? Very doubtful. The lights way up high and the room ran at 75-80f.
 
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