abandonconflict
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Have you ever been to Mexico?
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nitro harley
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No...I just looked from across the river...
abandonconflict
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abandonconflict
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Do you even know what socialism means?
nitro harley
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I am not sure what your point was?
When I say we are becoming more like Mexico everyday, I didn't make it up...Here's an example..I live in a small town in oregon "not mexico" and if you go to traffic court in are small town all you will here is spanish for an hour before you hear any english other than when the judge speaks then it is repeated in spanish...I can come up with more examples if you like...
abandonconflict
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Down here traffic court consists of giving the cop a fresh $20 dollar bill
Do you always dodge answering a question by asking a question?
abandonconflict
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Do you always ask stupid ass questions?
Dr Kynes
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mexico IS a socialist country. which explains why the elites live in luxury and the proles live in poverty.
since 1921, mexico has been a signatory to the 3rd Communist International, and nearly every major party in mexico is a marxist party:
PRI (current ruling party): the "Institutional Revolutionary Party", part of the "Socialist International" is now considered "centrist" but only in a marxist nation like mexico.
PRD (runner up in mexico's marxist sweepstakes): "Party of the Democratic Revolution", considered the "left centrist party", which is hilarious.
PT: Labour Party, a fairly typical socialist party as one finds worldwide.
PVEM: the mexican branch of the international Green Party, which operates under an eco-socialist platform.
CM: "Citizens Movement", a "democratic socialist" party (which as has been established abundantly, is fascism, which is also marxism)
NA: "New Alliance" another leftist communist/socialist party formed by trade unionists.
UNS: "National Synarchists Union" Catholic Anarcho Socialists. called "Right Wing" for some bizarre reason.
CS: "Socialist Convergence" seriously i am not making this up.
PRT: "Workers Revolutionary Party" no, really, im not inventing this shit.
and theres ONE "right wing" party in mexico:
PAN: "National Action Party" which, based on their platform and ideoology, is what we would call Conservative Democrats.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_Mexico
and people wonder why mexico is still a third world nation, despite vast wealth, natural resources and proximity to proseperous neighbors.
edit:
heres another link which is more in-depth.
http://mexicoinstituteonelections.wordpress.com/the-parties/
abandonconflict
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Mexico's markets are far more free than US markets. Pena Nieto also just privatized a big chunk of Pemex. Well there goes your argument.
Dr Kynes
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ha ha ha ha ha
"free" and "privatized" when almost all capital is in the hands of a few powerful families?
still not grasping the concept of Fascism either.
when the government controls an industry (or the means of production) why should they bother owning it?
they can sell it to their cronies who will operate it for them, as they direct, and scrape off a shitload of profit for themselves.
it's win/win for the authoritarians
this is why the Zapatistas are holding their 30 year insurgency, to try and get "real" Marxism, instead of Fascism's Marxism Light.
abandonconflict
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yeah, that is capitalism bro
Dr Kynes
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not when the government picks the winners and losers, thats Fascism.
nitro harley
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That was funny...We have a ways to go before we are just like Mexico,.. but we are a little bit you have to admit?
abandonconflict
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fascism is a form of capitalism bro (hence all the privatization)
Fascism = authoritarian capitalism
Dr Kynes
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and as long as you keep repeating the same lies over and over eventually some fools may believe you.
once again, fascism is a MARXIST political theory, developed BY MARXISTS as a means of selling failed MARXISM to the proles bit by bit, using capitalism and democracy to undermine capitalism and democracy.
"Where socialism sought totalitarian control of a society’s economic processes through direct state operation of the means of production, fascism sought that control indirectly, through domination of nominally private owners. Where socialism nationalized property explicitly, fascism did so implicitly, by requiring owners to use their property in the “national interest”—that is, as the autocratic authority conceived it. (Nevertheless, a few industries were operated by the state.) Where socialism abolished all market relations outright, fascism left the appearance of market relations while planning all economic activities. Where socialism abolished money and prices, fascism controlled the monetary system and set all prices and wages politically. In doing all this, fascism denatured the marketplace. Entrepreneurship was abolished. State ministries, rather than consumers, determined what was produced and under what conditions.
Fascism is to be distinguished from interventionism, or the mixed economy. Interventionism seeks to guide the market process, not eliminate it, as fascism did. Minimum-wage and antitrust laws, though they regulate the free market, are a far cry from multiyear plans from the Ministry of Economics.
Under fascism, the state, through official cartels, controlled all aspects of manufacturing, commerce, finance, and agriculture. Planning boards set product lines, production levels, prices, wages, working conditions, and the size of firms. Licensing was ubiquitous; no economic activity could be undertaken without government permission. Levels of consumption were dictated by the state, and “excess” incomes had to be surrendered as taxes or “loans.” The consequent burdening of manufacturers gave advantages to foreign firms wishing to export."
http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/Fascism.html
you really suck at this.
abandonconflict
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Privatization.
Dr Kynes
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abandonconflict
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I explicated your argument correctly Kynes. You are insisting that fascism is both Marxist and socialist and not capitalist and you are wrong. Fascism is a form of capitalism (hence the privatization) and is therefore neither Marxist or socialist. The tiny thread your argument hangs on is that Mussolini went around telling everyone he was a socialist.
Sometimes politicians lie bro.
Sometimes politicians lie bro.