A New Proposed Federal Marijuana Law????

[hexthat]

By definition, aren't the adults of those babies, the ones that fucked 'em up, aren't they the damned? So, how do we decide who gets to abort them? And, even though it's post term, can we still do it with a coat hanger and vacuum cleaner???

by definition the child isnt its own being until after it leaves the womb, i could careless how its done just as long as the stem cells go to research

 

[minnesmoker]

I was talking about killing crack hos with the wire hanger, and using the shop vac. to keep the mess contained.

by definition the child isnt its own being until after it leaves the womb, i could careless how its done just as long as the stem cells go to research

 

[be ez]

So, you are saying you are too stupid? Ok, well, I am not and do not need such bullshit rules!

I may have been a little blunt with that statement... You and I may be smart enough to distinguish which drugs not to do but when addiction rates quadruple and some junkie cracks you over the head and steals your wallet to feed their addiction, will you still think these rules are bullshit?

I know it may sometimes seem that the government has gone all big brother on your ass and that they make up laws just to control you but the fact of the matter is, at least where I live, the goal is to make society better, safer and more prosperous.

 

[be ez]

Also, why this every man for himself attitude? You are part of society and when society succeeds you succeed.

 

[Trousers]

It is really odd to see people in favor of marijuana legalization so against drugs being decriminalized.
It is no one's business what I put in my body, period.

It is weird that people think the government has the right to tell us what we can and can not put in our bodies.
Can someone tell me why the government can tell me what I can ingest?

Portugal decriminalized all drugs around 12 years ago.
They are still reaping the benefits of taking a logical approach to drugs.
http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1893946,00.html

People need guidelines and rules. These rules and guidelines just need to be sensible. People are too stupid to have that much freedom.

That is bullshit. You sound like a War On Drugs apologist.
Thomas Jefferson would kick you in the nuts.

I may have been a little blunt with that statement... You and I may be smart enough to distinguish which drugs not to do but when addiction rates quadruple and some junkie cracks you over the head and steals your wallet to feed their addiction, will you still think these rules are bullshit?

I know it may sometimes seem that the government has gone all big brother on your ass and that they make up laws just to control you but the fact of the matter is, at least where I live, the goal is to make society better, safer and more prosperous.

That is War On Drugs apologist bullshit.
Thomas Jefferson would kick you in the nuts.
I do not know anyone that is going to start using heroin/meth if it were decriminalized.


People that are addicted to drugs are not criminals.
People that think addicts are criminals can't see the forest for the trees.

 

[slowbus]

It is really odd to see people in favor of marijuana legalization so against drugs being decriminalized.
It is no one's business what I put in my body, period.

It is weird that people think the government has the right to tell us what we can and can not put in our bodies.
Can someone tell me why the government can tell me what I can ingest?

Portugal decriminalized all drugs around 12 years ago.
They are still reaping the benefits of taking a logical approach to drugs.
http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1893946,00.html





That is bullshit. You sound like a War On Drugs apologist.
Thomas Jefferson would kick you in the nuts.




That is War On Drugs apologist bullshit.
Thomas Jefferson would kick you in the nuts.
I do not know anyone that is going to start using heroin/meth if it were decriminalized.


People that are addicted to drugs are not criminals.
People that think addicts are criminals can't see the forest for the trees.

agreed,but FWIW I'd be doing some 'ron if it was legal.And even if it wasn't,if I could find it

 

[kinetic]

People that are addicted to drugs are not criminals.
People that think addicts are criminals can't see the forest for the trees.

Thomas Jefferson also owned slaves, so lets not prop up someone that can be cut down so easily. He's not exactly the moral high water mark.
Also just out of curiosity have you ever lived with a crack head? I have. I've seen some crimes commited on behalf of the addiction. Do those crimes not count?

 

[Trousers]

Drugs are artificially expensive. Not all drug users commit crimes.
Making drugs illegal with such punitive punishments is crazy when it comes to personal use.
You can not get rid of drugs, ever. So why treat users like criminals?

You support a system that pissed away more than a trillion dollars over the last 40 or so years and for what?
Drugs are cheaper, stronger and more available to children. We have the largest per capita prison population in the world.
Why should we continue this incredibly flawed strategy?

Why would you live with a crack head?

 

[kinetic]

I'm completely and all for treatment over imprisonment. People have to want to get help or sometimes, through the law, be forced to get help. I've seen first hand a success of someone getting treatment over long term imprisonment. If you HAD to live somewhere it's usually because of your age right? You picking up what I'm putting down?

I also think I'm of a rare breed that is all for cannabis and very much against things like Heroin, coke, and pharmacology abuse.

 

[Amerikaner]

Forcing someone into a system where they will be beat , raped, robbed , asked to join gangs, etc... In order to help them because they are addicts.... Im speechless ... As long as gangs run most US prisons , people should be ashamed to put non violent addicts in a place like that for "help".

 

[kinetic]

Not all that get arrested go to prison Amerikaner. Sometimes a person gets into trouble and jail for a couple weeks is a sobering reality. Then the choice becomes rehab or more jail time. The paticular situation I speak of is from experience not notions from whatever book, blog or article you read.

 

[see4]

Funny how the government works.. I was charged with 9 different counts, including Conspiracy, Assault and Fugitive from Justice, I got 1 year probation, and have since had everything expunged and have purchased hand guns, assault rifles and obtained a marijuana license. God bless america.

p.s. i love titties.

 

[Trousers]

I'm completely and all for treatment over imprisonment. People have to want to get help or sometimes, through the law, be forced to get help.

Have you read about Portugal?
Defending our system is crazy. Most states have no interest in rehabilitation.
We are creating a second class of citizens.

Forcing someone to get help through law enforcement is crazy.
I just do not see why you support the War On Drugs.
40 years and one trillion dollars down the shitter and you just want to continue this miserable failure?

The definition of insanity is repeating the same thing over and over and hoping that someday it will work.

I've seen first hand a success of someone getting treatment over long term imprisonment.

So you agree that the War On Drugs is a failure and we should radically change the way we deal with drugs?

If you HAD to live somewhere it's usually because of your age right? You picking up what I'm putting down?

That does not justify imprisoning people for using drugs.
I do not see what your point is.
If you want to talk about my experience with addicts, we can, but it is not relevant.

I also think I'm of a rare breed that is all for cannabis and very much against things like Heroin, coke, and pharmacology abuse.

You are not rare.
I am against all drugs. Marijuana excluded, it is a plant.
I am also against our government's insane and evil handling of drugs.

Being in favor of our currrent system makes no sense. Our current system supports the drug cartels in Mexico that are responsible for around 12,000 deaths a year.

 

[loquacious]

There's no reason for speed/crank/meth. You legalize it, you should also legalize killing tweakers. I had a child once. That child was taken from me by a tweaker. It was the bitch from who's cunt my child was spat. She used crank. Thats "oldschool meth" or "biker's meth." I enjoy meth users, dealers, and especially cooks... But, my pleasure with them (and subsequent disposal) are no more legal than the poison that they concoct and sell.

Heroin used to be legal, and marketed by Bayer. Cocaine, it had a run on the shelves, and was a key ingredient in a "soft drink" made by a company from the ATL.

Marijuana is illegal for one reason. Racism. That is it. This country was built on Hemp and Sativa. Our founding fathers thought that "every free man should be compelled, if he doesn't voluntarily do it, to grow at least 1 acre of Hemp each year." But, it was something that was commonly shared by 3 groups, in the early 20th century: Native Americans/First Nations/Indigenous trbes, Mexicans/Spaniards, and African Americans. It's the last true Jim Crow law that needs to be repealed.

All said -- you think synthetics should be legal, I think my kind should be allowed to live out our natures... Otherwise, control synthetic/manufactured/processed chemicals, and leave plants the fuck alone. (I.e. Coca leaves are groovy, cocaine puts you on my "I'm bored, what can I cut" list. Peyote or shrooms will help you with enlightenment, heroin and meth guarantee me the right to correct any wrongs, flesh for flesh, that you do.)

Your propensity for violence (or at least talk of it) is pretty stupid. I am sorry for your loss, but laws should not be based on emotions. There are a lot of people who do synthetic drugs and do not go around destroying society. Personally I would say the reason there are so many issues, is that a lot people who do synthetic drugs can't afford high quality. They end up using the cheapest they can get (like that crap crank) which has a shit ton of impurities and I believe that's where most of the problems come from. If it were legal than they could make it in large quantities with the right chemical compounds and offer it at a huge discount.

 

[kinetic]

trousers, yes we agree the war on drugs is a failure.
My point of view on addicts is relavent to the discussion due to how and where I was raised. Thats why I brought it up. You are trying to say that all addicts are peaceful and shouldnt be in jail which is wrong because Ive seen first hand crimes commited to furnish a drug habit. Addicts do some crazy shit to get their fix. Im all for releasing non violent drug offenders and swapping them with every pedophile thats been released. Im well aware of the cost of the war on drugs. Im also well aware of the effects of drugs on families. Its not a good one.

 

[beuffer420]

trousers, yes we agree the war on drugs is a failure.
My point of view on addicts is relavent to the discussion due to how and where I was raised. Thats why I brought it up. You are trying to say that all addicts are peaceful and shouldnt be in jail which is wrong because Ive seen first hand crimes commited to furnish a drug habit. Addicts do some crazy shit to get their fix. Im all for releasing non violent drug offenders and swapping them with every pedophile thats been released. Im well aware of the cost of the war on drugs. Im also well aware of the effects of drugs on families. Its not a good one.

all addicts are peaceful? Good thing you didn't meet me when I was off the wagon. I'm with kinetic on this one, I know how dangerous of a person I was when I lived that lifestyle and others who were around me.

 

[Trousers]

trousers, yes we agree the war on drugs is a failure.
My point of view on addicts is relavent to the discussion due to how and where I was raised. Thats why I brought it up. You are trying to say that all addicts are peaceful and shouldnt be in jail which is wrong because Ive seen first hand crimes commited to furnish a drug habit.

Your story is irrelevant. It is one story. It doesn't matter.
Drugs are artificially expensive because of all the heavy penalties.
Read up on how Portugal is handling things with out putting people in jail for being addicts.

It seems you are saying all drug addicts commit crimes for drugs. Just because you have seen one person do it, doesn't mean that all drug addicts do it.

Addicts do some crazy shit to get their fix.

Not all of them. If drugs were cheaper perhaps addicts would not have to commit crimes to get drugs.

Im all for releasing non violent drug offenders and swapping them with every pedophile thats been released. Im well aware of the cost of the war on drugs. Im also well aware of the effects of drugs on families. Its not a good one.

You sound like the people that want to continue the War On Drugs.
I'm aware of the effect of drugs on families too. Thanks for that meaningless tidbit.

 

[kinetic]

Trousers, by your logic there should be no adverse effects from alcohol because it's legal and available in great quantities. If we made DWI legal there would be no accidents or deaths? C'mon dude.

 

[kinetic]

Oh and btw, heroin use is up in teens in the Northeast because of the drop in prices. Doesn't that kind of refute your logic on high prices? I don't know why you couldn't understand in my first post that treatment not prison is the best option. For some jail is an option to wake them up, that was my point from my point of view with first hand experiences which is why I am contributing and have the opinions I do.

 

[MojoRison]

Morality is such a motley thing, it is only when we are given blank slates do we show our true colours.