Nutrients and molasses

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mokuro

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Alright,
after studied alot on last months, I still cant find a fixed post of how to w/ nutrients and molasses

I'm planning to make a PC grow, read some reviews and i'm planning to go w/ Dyna-Gro:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dyna-Gro-Pro-Tekt-1-Quart-qt-32oz-ounce-nutrient-protekt-dynagro-hydroponics-/200856913281?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2ec4014581
But... no idea how much use and how many times/week... is this particular to each product? (should i just fallow the product instruction?)

and I heared about Molasses to get bigger and dense buds, but again cant find a topic of how to/when...

Is that dyna-gro + molasses enought to my grow (in terms of nutrition)? Am I missing something important maybe?
 
sine143

sine143

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i only use molasses to feed my microbe web in living organic soil. dont know how well it works with high p liquid fertilizers, which nuke said microbes anyways. mollasses has a decent amount of N in it though, so it will still help correct n deficiencys without burning.
 
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SSHZ

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Small amounts of molasses is fine but too much will inhibit Nitrogen uptake........ it also attracts bugs. I use it the last 2 weeks of flowering, that's all. Don't get caught up in the hype, it won't make too much of a difference in the final product either way.
 
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mokuro

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sine143 and SSHZ, thanks for the molasses info!! really appreciate


About the Dyna-gro, is it ok to supply all my needs in therm of nutrition? or do I need something else?
 
The Growery

The Growery

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you don't need to use molasses with dynagro, just use grow and protekt through veg and bloom, don't even need bloom nutes with this line. molasses lowers ph greatly so be careful if you decide to use it anyway. from personal experience, I started with dynagro magpro, grow, bloom, protekt, kln and neem oil. after a year using the nutes I tried with just protekt and grow formula through the entire grow and my yields actually went up! molasses only caused problems for me.
 
Kite High

Kite High

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I use Foliage Pro MAg Pro and PRotekt beginning to end...Supplemented with Cal -MAg plus (ro water) and Liquid Karma

Start with 2 ml each of the three and move up from there every other watering...I feed every watering but as a beginner I do not advise this for you

Then drop the Mag pro to 1 ml until after the stretch...monitor you leaves color...light green or yellowing of older leaves more Foliage pro or Grow....dark green or burnt leaf tips less grow or Foliage Pro...same amount of protekt as grow or Foliage and your pH will remain solid


Forget molasses as IME more trouble than its worth especially using DG
Hope it helps
 
Sunbiz1

Sunbiz1

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SSHZ said:
Small amounts of molasses is fine but too much will inhibit Nitrogen uptake........ it also attracts bugs. I use it the last 2 weeks of flowering, that's all. Don't get caught up in the hype, it won't make too much of a difference in the final product either way.
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It will lockout N, even on in-ground plants. I once thought I could not overdo it, I was wrong 2 years ago...this was the result:98 006.jpg004.jpg

Second pic was healthy. Notice to the left how sad branch(and entire plant became)as per pic 1.
 
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mokuro

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Got it,
i'll drop Molasses from my list of what to buy

Going buy then from dyna-gro:
Grow
Bloom
Protekt

is it ok? why use Foliage instead grow? or Mag instead bloom, looks the same to me

about wather, i'm going to use mineral water i think
 
Kite High

Kite High

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FP 3-1-2 ratio Gro 1-1-1 ratio. 3-1-2 ratio is preferred by cannabis. Bloom is unnecessary as it will not provide enough N and will cause premature leaf drop in flower

Mag Pro also adds sulfur which is essential to trichome development
 
Moldy

Moldy

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I use molasses the last 2-3 weeks in between Dyna-Gro. Basically it's my way of flushing near the end as I cut back on nutes then also. I don't have any issues but then again I'm a small med grower and don't need huge yields. Growing some HSO Blue dream and trainwreck and they're looking okay. They're in the 7-8 week and still green, no yellow yet. You can use sugar too as it's supposed to increase bud size but don't know for sure... but saw a side by side in Jorge's book showing bigger buds using sugar (or molasses). Oh well, good luck and if you do use molasses keep it at a teaspoon per gal every other watering.
 
Sunbiz1

Sunbiz1

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mokuro said:
Got it,
i'll drop Molasses from my list of what to buy

Going buy then from dyna-gro:
Grow
Bloom
Protekt

is it ok? why use Foliage instead grow? or Mag instead bloom, looks the same to me

about wather, i'm going to use mineral water i think
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Molasses is a good nute, has many micronutrients and feeds microbes...which in turn feed your plants. But like any additive, too much of a good thing has the reverse effect.
 
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mokuro

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Kite High said:
Yes that's what I rec. HB is my friend and a great grower
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Yeah i agree about HB, he seems to be a very good grower, on his topics, he was using grow+bloom

But i'll buy what you recomended for now, and later on next grows I can try others, nothing is better than learn from your experience.

about Water, do you recommend RO? i'll check that Water topic again with more time to see what can i extract from there.
about "Start with 2 ml each of the three", that's because i'll grow autos? use all of them from start to finish?

really thanks guys for patience to help new growers! :clap:
 
The Growery

The Growery

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don't bother with RO. the ppm in your tap water is nutrients - trace minerals and vitamins that you would have to buy and put back into the water if you used RO. better spend money on a good ph meter and ec meter. other equipment to create a ideal grow environment would be money better spent.
 
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mokuro

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The Growery, ph meter is on the list already, really important.

if possible, can you link me where is the stuff about ec? coudn't find it on Search because it's just 2 letters. I need read about that, really not sure what is and what wrong ec can do.
 
The Growery

The Growery

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EC is parts per million (ppm) 1 EC = 700 ppm as a general rule of thumb. each ppm meter is different depending on the factor (.5 to 1) and what country you are in (the standards of that country). Hanna uses a factor of .7, blue lab uses a factor of .9 so 1 ec = 700ppm hanna = 1000 ppm blu lab truncheon.
 
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mokuro

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and why is that important?
sry for my noobness, but i dont see why its a must have for a no-hidroponic?
 
The Growery

The Growery

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knowing your ppm and how your plants react to it, you can optimize the nutrient mix to maximize ppms without burning your plants creating the fastest possible growth times assuming other conditions are met like humidity, temps, lighting, pest mitigation and proper watering schedule. EC is not essential for a soil grow however. later on when you are bored and perfecting your grow, you may want to consider EC meters.

I just bought one called the nutra dip trimeter, I highy recommend it, durable, easy to use and very accurate, rarely needs calibration and it's half the cost of the bluelab guardian meter.

http://www.amazon.com/ND1100042-Nutra-Dip-continuous-Tri-Temperature/dp/B0001XGQ2C/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1360192733&sr=8-1&keywords=nutradip
 
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mokuro

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Nice!

I'll keep that in mind, but not going to think on it now on first grow, is too much info, and it's just a PC grow
i'll have plenity of time till i be able to make a decent and bigger oen, till there i can study about this, for now i'll fallow the recomendations of nutes and hope to not over-fert or something.

thx for helping!! :]
 
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