My 2nd grow, 400 watt hempy scrog, 3x White Russian

[Campo Cultivator]

hey man just tripped over this thread very nice thing you have going there very neat
im growing 4 diff strains and when the plants were young one stood out I dont know why so I took a couple of cuttings now this plant kicks ass out of the rest but the cuttings are 3 weeks in flower so im thinking of trying to revert one IM hoping its not to late

 

[Campo Cultivator]

what you say about the pumping in the house in winter dude I can relate too man im freezing and me plants are warm work it out

 

[psilocybindude]

hey man just tripped over this thread very nice thing you have going there very neat
im growing 4 diff strains and when the plants were young one stood out I dont know why so I took a couple of cuttings now this plant kicks ass out of the rest but the cuttings are 3 weeks in flower so im thinking of trying to revert one IM hoping its not to late

I doubt it could be man, like i said i took my clones the day i harvested about 8 weeks for the Blue Cheese and 9 1/2 weeks for the White Russian and after 3 weeks I've got roots, i would just make sure you use a bubble cloner such a cheap and great investment i haven't had one clone fail to root in it.

 

[psilocybindude]

what you say about the pumping in the house in winter dude I can relate too man im freezing and me plants are warm work it out

I could probably fix it pretty easily i just wish i would have thought about doing it before i mounted that fucking carbon filter in my attic its such a pain in the ass, i dunno I'm not exactly a carpenter or fabricator so i don't really like cutting holes in my walls but it would probably save me some money and worry i really dont like my exhaust coming out from my attic where i cant smell immediately when there is a problem, i also don't like pumping hot humid air into my freezing cold attic, i did just check for mold when i was in the attic i didn't see any but I'm sure it would take a few grows to cause a significant problem.

I did just get a dry wall saw in the mail today maybe that's a sign that i need to fix my stupid attic exhaust.

 

[psilocybindude]

Here are some pictures with the heavy stuff mounted, I'm pretty pleased with how it turned out i got the light to with in 1 inch of where i wanted it, so i got the light right in the center and i raised the maximum height by quite a bit.

 

[F.M.I.L.Y]

looking good bro!!!

 

[psilocybindude]

Well i got to work on my ventilation today and it took me less than 15 minutes to cut 2 pretty much perfect holes in the wall and get the ducting in, i was pretty surprised at how easy it was, i don't know why i was so uneasy about doing it before but i am definitely glad i did it now, it should save me a decent bit of money on our heating bill this winter now that the bulb and ballast are being used to heat the house and the air is not being evacuated to the attic, i just hope there will be enough c02 in the house to support the grow room. As i said though energy efficiency is not the only perk, i am very relieved that i will now be the first to notice any odor leak coming from my exhaust and it will also be awesome to not have to deal with all of the bull shit of having that carbon filter suspended by that wood panel in the attic.

 

[psilocybindude]

I am also still not sure what I'm going to do as far as the walls go, i would like to put some mylar up but seeing how banged up this fresh coat of paint is after a few months is making me wonder if Mylar wont get ripped to shreds, applying it seems to be an issue to, surprisingly i was only able to find one video on you tube about applying it and it should have been named "how not to install mylar.". I saw some stuff called orca grow film that looked pretty good but im not sure if it was just a gimmick or not and it seemed expensive to me too, i hate to say it but i think i might just end up repainting the room flat white again, hopefully it wont get so fucked up now that every thing should stop getting moved around so much.

 

[psilocybindude]

So yesterday i got my paint mixer in the mail so i decided it was time to pull out the bubble bags and make some bubble hash, i got about 1.5 grams off of the White Russian and nothing off of the Blue Cheese because it had already been used to make cannabutter. I must say the hash was pretty good but i don't see my self doing this again unless i have pounds of trim, it was really quite a pain in the ass, but then again this was my first time doing it so i probably fucked up a bit. I also got my 400 watt MH and some GH hard water micro ordered I'm still contemplating the Mylar.

 

[psilocybindude]

Well i finally got roots on what i believe is a White Russian clone i am pretty sure i know what it is based on the freshness of the clones, It was 1 month ago today that i harvested and took my 2 clones from the Blue Cheese, and it was only about 2 1/2 weeks ago that i took the 2 White Russian clones so there is a pretty big difference in the freshness, almost all the leaves on the what i believe is the Blue Cheese are dead and there are still some fresh leaves on what i believe to be the White Russian, I'm worried that i could be wrong but i doubt it. As far as the grow room goes i still haven't gotten much done on it, its been cold as fuck lately and I've been working a lot so i haven't gotten out side to cut the replacement panel for the attic access, I've also been trying to get my gfs Christmas present fixed, i found a steal of a deal on a lap top but it needed a reformat and so far this reformat has taken 12 hours and 4 minutes, its a pretty big pain in the ass to do with out her finding out about it.

 

[psilocybindude]

Well i have been sick for about the past week so i havent gotten much done but i got up today and am feeling much better so i have started taking care of some stuff with the grow room, i cut the holes in my wall and installed the ducting so i can ventilate my stealth dresser via the grow rooms ventilation system, i installed a light socket style grommet for the main power wire, and i am currently in the process of making every thing light and air tight with great stuff gap filling expanding foam. I also got my GH hard water micro and 400 watt MH bulb just the other day and i ordered a 4 x 100 foot roll of mylar that has mylar on one side and white plastic on the other its 4 mil thick and i hope the plastic and thickness makes it durable. I am still not sure what all i am going to cover with the mylar i dont know if i should stop at the top of where the scrog crates will be or continue down all the way to the bottom, im also not sure when i should start feeding the clones they have some pretty decent roots going but i havent noticed much in the way of growth on the upper side, i need to get them into some 16 oz beer cup hempys.

 

[psilocybindude]

So my grow was almost comprimised today by a stupid decision my other half made, i was so pissed off, i have put so much time and effort into keeping my grow a secret and i was really thinking i would have to shut it down because the risk would be to great, but we sat down and brainstormed up an explination and explained away the situation, phew was it a close call, i am still not sure they bought it but the explination seemed plausable enough and as Alonzo says: Its not what you know, its what you can prove... I am just so happy im not going to have to shut it down i have wanted to do this for years and just completed my first grow, i would have been pissed if i would have had to close up shop before i even got started...

 

[psilocybindude]

Well after lots of waiting and many hours of work things are finally starting to come together, i just got done installing my grow rooms Mylar, it wasn't as bad as i had thought it would be but it was still tedious and annoying as fuck, i really do hope this stuff is durable because i would not want to do that very often, i am very happy to be able to say that i am almost done with the room, i just have a few things to finish up before it is ready to go, perfect timing to because my clones have just started to show some real growth.

 

[Shaggn]

Very nice. I will say this. If you thought it was bright in there last round, wait till u see how bright it will b lol. The difference will shine in many qualities such as yield and crystal production. Some will say it isn't needed, but I believe the rewards you reap from making the area reflective are great!! Look forward to when you get this round started. When using mylar, make sure to watch for hotspots, and if they become problematic buy a light difuser (Hids only). Peace!!

 

[psilocybindude]

Here are some pictures with most of the equipment in, i am doing a 12 hour flowering test run to see what the temps are like on the medium high fan setting, i am pretty much done a side from a few small things, i still have to make the ducting from the veg cab to the grow room completely light tight i have managed to eliminate about 90% of it but there is still one last piece that needs to be completed to finish it off, i still need to mount my oscillating fan some where, i need to finish the upper portion of the scrog crates, and drill holes in the hempy buckets and im done, i am very pleased with the way everything turned out and i am glad i should not have to redo the whole damn thing again.

I also think that the Mylar will help quite a bit shaggn i figured if i am taking the time to do a proper efficient grow room i should probably use the proper materials, after all i am trying to cover a 5 foot by 2.5 foot closet with a 400 watt HID, my first run i threw on some white paint just like i just threw in those incorrectly sized crates but after seeing what i could do with a some what half assed attempt i am very much looking forward to seeing what i can pull off of this now that I've got every thing maximized for efficiency. As far as installing the Mylar goes i tried to keep it as flat as possible to avoid hot spots but my god was it hard to do by myself, i thought about making wood panels with Mylar perfectly installed on them and then installing them into place but that just seemed to damn expensive and like to much of a hassle, i also thought about using an aerosol adhesive and trying to more less squeegee it onto the wall but that too seemed like to much of a hassle, i ended up going with aluminum duct tape and a staple gun and i think it came out alright. Some one really needs to make a video about installing Mylar and upload it to youtube i only found one on there and it should have been named how not to install Mylar...

[video=youtube;pZt2-LIhO8U]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZt2-LIhO8U[/video]

 

[Shaggn]

Mylar works well to start with, it is a pain tho. Invest after your next one into the same material they use for the grow tents. Look for the diamond pattern on anywhere from 200D - 600D canvas. Reason I say 200D is because you have a solid wall. If you were making your own tent you want the 600D as it has no light leaks. Once you hang that u will only need to wash it down between grows with a light bleach/water solution. Plus it's thick so you wont have to worry about tears, like you will from wiping the mylar. Peace!!

 

[psilocybindude]

Well my 12 hour test run is almost done and there has been pretty much no significant change in the temperature since i started it up, my furnace is set to 72 and from 4:00pm to 2:11 am the room has been running, my minimum intake air was 69.2F and the maximum was 73.4F with the hygrometer sitting on top of my hood the minimum ambient temperature was 75.0F and the maximum ambient was 77.1F, i am very surprised with these results on my last grow my room was on avg about 86F ambient with the furnace set at the same settings so i do not know what to attribute it to. There are a few possibility's #1 the room being covered with Mylar is preventing the radiant energy from being absorbed and bouncing the light around the room until it is dissipated into nothingness, #2 the Metal halide bulb runs significantly cooler than the HPS "doubtful", and #3 my ventilation system was very inefficient, if any thing i thought the ventilation system would be less efficient now but i could be wrong about that, my ventilation has change quite a few times in the past few months...

 

[psilocybindude]

Here are some diagrams showing my previous ventilation Configurations, as you can see in the first diagram the fans placement at the end of the exhaust was probably limiting the air flow, and in the second ventilation configuration you can see the centrifugal fan being placed right before the rectangular air cooled hood was probably also restricting air flow, in my 3rd and final diagram with the fan placed in the middle and a pretty big bend the room drops 10 degrees Fahrenheit. It seems crazy to me that the final ventilation configuration could be that much more efficient, it seems to me that each of these configurations has a down side and it seems like the down sides should even them out but it doesn't, i think it must be a combination of the new ventilation set up and the Mylar stopping the radiant energy from being absorbed.

 

[Shaggn]

Add plants and humidity and your temps will go up abit. I vote that your ventilation and the MH bulb (HPS burns hotter) factor most into having cooler temps. Anything that bounces back the radiant actually causes the temps to rise because that radiant energy has no where to go, it's trapped. Perfect example is the sun passing through our atmosphere and then having most being trapped inside, temperature rises. Glad you got it figured out tho, really looking forward to what you do with this next round.

 

[psilocybindude]

Ah thanks for the info man, i think I'm gonna swap out the MH for the HPS after i get done with these test and see what kind of temps i get with it, it will be interesting to see how the ventilation performs i really hope it is better because my last grow i was running about 86F and from what i have read that is about the max temp you want unless you run c02, i really want to add co2 to my garden and i probably will next grow i am just not sure how i would go about doing it.
I to am looking forward to seeing how this next round goes, i really need to get these clones into hempy cups and figure out how to feed them with this GH flora series does any one know of any good guides to using it, i am pretty nervous about going hydro i hope i don't kill my future mothers lol.

[edit] I just read the bottles and it seems easy enough im just gonna start out really really weak strength and work my way up from there...