Union Bosses Caught

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ChesusRice

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What are labor unions?
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Labor unions are organizations
of workers. They are sometimes also called trade unions or organized labor. Labor unions existed
in some cities even in the early 1800s. They grew much more common, however, as
industry and big businesses expanded in the late 1800s and early
1900s.

Union leaders try to win higher pay, shorter work hours, and improved safety conditions for their
members. They hold talks with company managers every year or every few years to
reach a written agreement on pay rates and work rules. This agreement is called
a "contract."

Being a member of a union is often an advantage for
workers, who would otherwise have to try to talk individually with factory
owners on their pay and work rules.

The leaders of the union are
paid from dues collected by the union from its members. Workers can vote a
union out if they are not satisfied with what the union leaders are doing for
them.
 
Winter Woman

Winter Woman

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ChesusRice said:
Unions have votes by their members
Votes are binding

Who do you think voted for the salarys those guys receive?
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Stockholder's have a ballot, I vote for all the stocks I hold. But, those that decide to let mutual funds manage their portfolio usually the fund managers make that decision for them. Voted on by your mutual fund manager or sometimes by your union. Put the blame where is deserved.
 
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ChesusRice

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Winter Woman said:
Stockholder's have a ballot, I vote for all the stocks I hold. But, those that decide to let mutual funds manage their portfolio usually the fund managers make that decision for them. Voted on by your mutual fund manager or sometimes by your union. Put the blame where is deserved.
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Can you fire your mutual fund manager who might also be a board member of the company that decides what the pay for the CEO is?
 
Winter Woman

Winter Woman

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Mutual fund managers I don't believe are allowed to sit on boards. I have seen fund managers fired. I don't play with funds, if I did I'd vote with my money and leave.

It isn't as if I don't believe that they aren't over compensated, I do. But, being that union executives represent the average man they should follow the Ben & Jerry compensation method.
 
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ChesusRice

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Winter Woman said:
Mutual fund managers I don't believe are allowed to sit on boards. I have seen fund managers fired. I don't play with funds, if I did I'd vote with my money and leave.

It isn't as if I don't believe that they aren't over compensated, I do. But, being that union executives represent the average man they should follow the Ben & Jerry compensation method.
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So if you vote to leave with your money
Does that change the income of he CEO that the mutual fund guy sits on the company board of?
 
Winter Woman

Winter Woman

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Here's how unions treat the average man. It's all about money for them.

Five years ago, bosses of two AFL-CIO unions, the United Auto Workers (UAW) and the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees (AFSCME), teamed up to acquire forced-unionism control over home-based day-care providers in Michigan.


The UAW/AFSCME joint-venture union, known as “Child Care Providers Together Michigan” (CCPTM), was set up with the express aim of unionizing “all home-based child [day] care providers in Michigan.”
Then-Gov. Jennifer Granholm, a Big Labor Democrat, was ready from the beginning to pull as many strings as necessary for the CCPTM union. In July 2006, Granholm-appointed bureaucrats helped establish a shell corporation known as the “Michigan Home Based Child Care Council” (MHBCC).
The sole genuine purpose of this venture was to act as the entity against which the CCPTM union was supposedly organizing.
Many of the 40,500 day-care providers targeted by CCPTM organizers report that they never even heard of this outfit until after it had prevailed in a low-turnout “mail ballot” election.
In 2008, forced union fees began being siphoned out of the reimbursement checks day-care providers receive from the government for serving needy families who are unable to pay their own way.
 
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ChesusRice

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The ratio of CEO-to-worker pay between CEOs of the S&P 500 Index companies and U.S. workers widened to 380 times in 2011 from 343 times in 2010.[2] Back in 1980, the average large company CEO only received 42 times the average worker's pay.[3]


So how much Is Trumka or any of the other Union Presidents making in relation to their members?
 
Winter Woman

Winter Woman

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ChesusRice said:
The ratio of CEO-to-worker pay between CEOs of the S&P 500 Index companies and U.S. workers widened to 380 times in 2011 from 343 times in 2010.[2] Back in 1980, the average large company CEO only received 42 times the average worker's pay.[3]


So how much Is Trumka or any of the other Union Presidents making in relation to their members?
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Bait and switch. Union thread, not business bashing thread.
 
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ChesusRice

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Michigan
UAW President Bob King, Vice President Cindy Estrada, members, retirees and community leaders held a news conference at the union’s Solidarity House headquarters Thursday on the ramifications of Gov. Rick Snyder's budget proposal, particularly his decision to strip collective bargaining rights from nearly 20,000subsidized home-based child care providers who are represented by the UAW and AFSCME.

There is a very clear Republican agenda across America to destroy the middle class,” said King at the March 3 news conference.

“The fact that this announcement comes on the heels of Gov. Snyder's budget proposal calling for enrolled providers' hourly subsidy rate to drop from $1.60 to $1.35 an hour just shows that the governor's priorities are out of whack with the desires of Michigan citizens, who believe in collective bargaining and the right of working people to earn a living wage,” said Estrada, who directs the UAW's Public Sector Department.
 
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ChesusRice

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Winter Woman said:
Bait and switch. Union thread, not business bashing thread.
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Your bashing the heads of large unions who make 500k a year or less
Compared to CEOs who make 10s of millions


The big difference is
Union Members can vote out their leaders and it has nothing to do with now many shares of stock they own
 
woodsusa

woodsusa

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ChesusRice said:
Unions have votes by their members
Votes are binding

Who do you think voted for the salarys those guys receive?
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In the UAW where I have been a member for 39 years, we have no say in the election of the union leadership except on a local level. All the big shooters in the UAW are elected at a convention. I'm grateful for the good job and benefits I got working in a UAW plant but it always pissed me off that I didn't get to vote for the leaders. Most of whom never worked in a factory.
 
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ChesusRice

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woodsusa said:
In the UAW where I have been a member for 39 years, we have no say in the election of the union leadership except on a local level. All the big shooters in the UAW are elected at a convention. I'm grateful for the good job and benefits I got working in a UAW plant but it always pissed me off that I didn't get to vote for the leaders. Most of whom never worked in a factory.
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So you vote for the guys who vote for the guys who lead your union
How much is your exhorbitant union dues a month
Tell us how much the union doesnt do anything for you
 
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beenthere

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ChesusRice said:
Your bashing the heads of large unions who make 500k a year or less
Compared to CEOs who make 10s of millions
The big difference is
Union Members can vote out their leaders and it has nothing to do with now many shares of stock they own
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The bigger difference is, corporations make the money they pay their CEO's, unions extort it from their members.
 
Moses Mobetta

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In the UBC (carpenters union) we did not have a vote for our local leadership - bussines agent/ bussiness manager or organizers that worked on a local level or the leadership on a national level. There are things about that I was not happy with as a member, however without the union we would have been screwed. Crappy pay no benefits / we would have been slaves to the wicked empire practically. The Unions have to do more in certain areas to stay in the game but the notion that union workers caused a company to become bankrupt is junk. These non union advocates chip away at the unions endlessly with such rubbish. The companies do not have to agree with things they deem unfair or sign a contract they are not happy with. If the contract agreements have caused companies to fold then corporate officers who signed the contracts are to blame for agreeing to bad policies. High executive pays are comparible to other industries and running unions is a lot of work. Corporate America / Wallstreet are greedy and corrupt and will say anything to shift blame . A union worker making a fair wage to feed their family or a group of them did not torpedo our economy. Unions are necessary because American workers are in need of the representation they provide. Without these unions the corporations would screw the workers over as history has shown.
 
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ChesusRice

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I have only worked as a union machinist twice

Union Jobs in Machining suck ass

But I am grateful they are around. Because even though i am not in a union. I know without them all of us non union employees would be 'screwed" as well
 
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