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wyteberrywidow

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TrynaGroSumShyt said:
S1's have different pheno's this i am sure of. It may be limited to two or three. But they definitely do not drop just one pheno. I don't understand it but it happens.
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I don't know according to plenty of breeders when doing s1 from the original clone you will get replicas of it.

Now s1 of a cross like whitefire or white master where the pollen donor is different then the mother then that's where you will different phenos.Dr. Greenthumb
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What I'm saying when I say 'exact representation' is it should be almost identical to the clone in every way​


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billcollector99

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this is a copy and paste, so take from it what you will...

As the title implies, the main drawback to selfing cannabis plants is that you loose the male portion of your population, making future crosses difficult. Some think that by selfing a plant, all the offspring will turn out just like mom. That is only true if mom is true breeding for all the traits you are interested in. Otherwise, her offspring will show two phenotypes for every trait that she is not true breeding.

There are two basic models for selfing a plant such as cannabis the first one being where the plant is homozygous for the trait in question. Let's assume again that pineapple flavour is controlled by the recessive gene pp. If we self the plant we fill get the following S1 cross.

S1 cross = pp x pp = pp + pp + pp + pp or 100% pineapple flavoured female offspring. But no matching males

The other likely possibility is that special individual heterozygous dominant for the pineapple flavour. In this case P will indicate for pineapple flavour and the S1 cross will be:

S1 cross = Pp x Pp = PP + Pp + Pp + pp, our familiar 1:2 :1 mendelian ratio.

In this second example only 75% of the offspring will have pineapple flavour and the frequency of the P gene will only be 50%, a far cry from 100% or true breeding. From here on, this isn't much different from a half sib cross involving regular inbreeding or backcrossing. It will take a few generations to achieve something close to true breeding, but as with backcrossing, as long as we use the P1 mom in the crosses (selfing in this case), we will never achieve a true breeding population.
 
bassman999

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genuity said:
http://hempdepot.ca/seeds/TomHill/DeepChunk.htm
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Thanx Genuinity, says it is a low yielder though, which is okay, but for $100 idk....
billcollector99 said:
this is a copy and paste, so take from it what you will...

As the title implies, the main drawback to selfing cannabis plants is that you loose the male portion of your population, making future crosses difficult. Some think that by selfing a plant, all the offspring will turn out just like mom. That is only true if mom is true breeding for all the traits you are interested in. Otherwise, her offspring will show two phenotypes for every trait that she is not true breeding.

There are two basic models for selfing a plant such as cannabis the first one being where the plant is homozygous for the trait in question. Let's assume again that pineapple flavour is controlled by the recessive gene pp. If we self the plant we fill get the following S1 cross.

S1 cross = pp x pp = pp + pp + pp + pp or 100% pineapple flavoured female offspring. But no matching males

The other likely possibility is that special individual heterozygous dominant for the pineapple flavour. In this case P will indicate for pineapple flavour and the S1 cross will be:

S1 cross = Pp x Pp = PP + Pp + Pp + pp, our familiar 1:2 :1 mendelian ratio.

In this second example only 75% of the offspring will have pineapple flavour and the frequency of the P gene will only be 50%, a far cry from 100% or true breeding. From here on, this isn't much different from a half sib cross involving regular inbreeding or backcrossing. It will take a few generations to achieve something close to true breeding, but as with backcrossing, as long as we use the P1 mom in the crosses (selfing in this case), we will never achieve a true breeding population.
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Thats not complicated at all!! Lol and I thought u just spray pollen and call it a day....F2's and S3's and P1's etc...way too in depth for me right now.
 
EROsain

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in all that am still tring to figure ou :D, are you saying i have to cross as many male phenos as i do females from the beginning of my stabilization if my strain isn't true breeding yet? .. and how do you make sure your true breading .. how many generations ?
 
Highlanders cave

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bassman999 said:
Hey Highlander Im good.
My Grape Ape clone came from a club and grew almost exactly like my OG Plat Kush but yielded less. I expected a grapey couch lock, it was grapey but the high was not what I expected at all. Made me feel uncomfortable and restless and the mom was killed off. What kind of high comes from yours.
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To be honest man I haven't smoked enough of it to have much of an opinion. Most of what I grow goes down the pipeline lol. I have a couple of dozen strains going and I tend to just smoke the 5 or 6 I like the best. I'll take some pics for you in another month before they come down.

Have a good one!
 
TrynaGroSumShyt

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Whyte, really what i was saying S1's will be very close, but not exact.

[video=youtube;Du9pmBVELzw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du9pmBVELzw[/video]
 
bassman999

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Highlanders cave said:
To be honest man I haven't smoked enough of it to have much of an opinion. Most of what I grow goes down the pipeline lol. I have a couple of dozen strains going and I tend to just smoke the 5 or 6 I like the best. I'll take some pics for you in another month before they come down.

Have a good one!
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Sounds good. I have another Grape ape from seed if that is possible. I got it from a friend who never grows clones unless they are from his own seed stock. He gives me the phenos free he doesnt like sometimes though. I shall see what your vs mine looks like if mine recovers from the mite spray.
 
TrynaGroSumShyt

TrynaGroSumShyt

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My veg
There is Sour Kush, Sour OG, Lush, Blue Cheese x Lush, DOG Kush, and Grape Kush.


And in Flower are 60's Kush(corleone kush x lush), DOG Kush, Bubba Kush x Master Kush, and a few powerkush x lush.
 
billcollector99

billcollector99

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Sucks watching the beginning stages of a 12/12 from seed grow. I hate how they seem to do nothing for the first couple of weeks, then BAM flower :)
 
TrynaGroSumShyt

TrynaGroSumShyt

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Hell yea man, but the veg should kick in gear soon. its been over 4 months since i vegged a plant out. after my lush dries i'll be out of bud until my 12/12 harvest.
 
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