Whats Ron Pauls Jobs Plan

londonfog

londonfog

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Prefontaine said:
first the healthcare bill isnt enacted yet, which means there are no real figures as to how many new employees will be required to support the health care bills increase in our bloated governing body,

second when the IRS determine that you are breaking a law, first they charge you penalties, if you say no im not going to pay those penalties cause you can make me buy health insurance, then they will put you in jail to make sure everyone else pays their penalty,

That is is how things work.

What you are doing is making a real shitty attempt at making an exageration of specifics for a plan that has not yet been fully carried out and in fact does not have any specific contradictory numbers or at least not at the time of the statements in question to lieing, in defense of person who as part of the their campaign stated again and again that he would not sign the patriot act, then signed the patriot act as soon as he got into office. WOW thats all just WOW
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dude Ron Paul lied and made false claims to something as you readily admit has not even been put into action yet...so how can he come up with a number for something not even put into action and he even stated that they would be carrying guns..WTF....read the whole page http://www.factcheck.org/2010/03/irs-expansion/
 
Prefontaine

Prefontaine

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londonfog said:
dude Ron Paul lied and made false claims to something as you readily admit has not even been put into action yet...so how can he come up with a number for something not even put into action and he even stated that they would be carring guns..WTF....read the whole page http://www.factcheck.org/2010/03/irs-expansion/
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no he made legitimate assertions based on the vagueness of the plan, assertions which have not yet been proven false, your champion LIED
 
Prefontaine

Prefontaine

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londonfog said:
ok now lets look at what he actually signed

The measure would add four years to the legal life of roving wiretaps, authorized for a person rather than a communications line or device; court-ordered searches of business records; and surveillance of non-American "lone wolf" suspects without confirmed ties to terrorist

Now do I like things like this..not really..will it have an affect on me..HELL NO....will the ends jusify the means..depends on whos in office...
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Where your logic falls short is, you do not decide whether you are considered a lone wolf terrorist type, the Federal government defines trade, use, production of marijuana as in support of terrorism, that means that by being apart of this discussion board you may be investigated, what happens next depends on what they think they find. Why do you want the government having a live feed on your life? just because you dont use a civil liberty doesnt mean that you dont lose something when its taken away, The fact that you dont care about your rights demonstrates a very sad person without self respect and a low self image, its really to bad that you cant look in the mirror and realize that you do matter, and other people shouldnt control your life, but i feel even more sorry for your children who will be raised like cattle, worked like horses, and taxed like sheep
 
Prefontaine

Prefontaine

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londonfog said:
so they will be carrying guns ????
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if you dont pay for the insurance, they fine you, if you dont pay the fine, they bring in the police, Im not sure whether IRS specifically carry guns when they raid people for tax evasion but they do have armed personnel with them, this is a basic point which would fall under common knowledge and would be expected to be understood by anyone raised in america, if you dont refuse to pay when the feds tell you to you people with guns come to talk to you
 
Smirgen

Smirgen

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redivider said:
there's those of us that believe that a society must work together to make itself great. then there's people like you, that think that everybody acting independently will get the best outcome.
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Redivider I think you and Undertheice are on the same page so to speak unless you are implying that individuals be coerced or threatened to work for what they dont consider a greater good.
Could you clarify please?
 
Prefontaine

Prefontaine

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londonfog said:
never mind I guess you don't understand
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Mostly though im curious as to why you are so starved for attention that you have to come on roll it up and continuouly bait people, its hard to imagine that you actually support the opinoins you express on here because they show a diminished capacity
 
londonfog

londonfog

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Prefontaine said:
Where your logic falls short is, you do not decide whether you are considered a lone wolf terrorist type, the Federal government defines trade, use, production of marijuana as in support of terrorism, that means that by being apart of this discussion board you may be investigated, what happens next depends on what they think they find. Why do you want the government having a live feed on your life? just because you dont use a civil liberty doesnt mean that you dont lose something when its taken away, The fact that you dont care about your rights demonstrates a very sad person without self respect and a low self image, its really to bad that you cant look in the mirror and realize that you do matter, and other people shouldnt control your life, but i feel even more sorry for your children who will be raised like cattle, worked like horses, and taxed like sheep
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question what do you do for a living....I myself collect a check each month from the government as a retired O3...I also own 3 laundromats ( actually two now because one is use solely for laundry cleaning contracts for nursing home and medical cleaning )...I have some nice investment in some tech stocks...I also have a 7 tier CD ladder that I take advantage of...I don't sell weed ( I do smoke the hell out of it )and if gubberment wants to check me they can..it would be a waste of their time...I would say that I control my own life...do you have to punch a time clock ???? as far as my kids...well they have to carve their own path, but they will have a head start in doing so
 
londonfog

londonfog

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Prefontaine said:
Mostly though im curious as to why you are so starved for attention that you have to come on roll it up and continuouly bait people, its hard to imagine that you actually support the opinoins you express on here because they show a diminished capacity
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Actually I learn quite a bit from RIU..not from you of course..but others ( even the ones I disagree with) teach me new things from growing to politics..and when to use the word facetious vs sarcasm.. so yes I enjoy coming on RIU when sitting at home doing nothing or at a job site doing nothing...but never on vacation
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Prefontaine said:
if you dont pay for the insurance, they fine you, if you dont pay the fine, they bring in the police, Im not sure whether IRS specifically carry guns when they raid people for tax evasion but they do have armed personnel with them, this is a basic point which would fall under common knowledge and would be expected to be understood by anyone raised in america, if you dont refuse to pay when the feds tell you to you people with guns come to talk to you
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no wonder you love ron paul so much, you can't do so without having that paranoia complex embedded in you.

the individual mandate is a non-criminal penalty if you don't pay it. you own't be going to jail.
 
Prefontaine

Prefontaine

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londonfog said:
question what do you do for a living....I myself collect a check each month from the government as a retired O3...I also own 3 laundromats ( actually two now because one is use solely for laundry cleaning contracts for nursing home and medical cleaning )...I have some nice investment in some tech stocks...I also have a 7 tier CD ladder that I take advantage of...I don't sell weed ( I do smoke the hell out of it )and if gubberment wants to check me they can..it would be a waste of their time...I would say that I control my own life...do you have to punch a time clock ???? as far as my kids...well they have to carve their own path, but they will have a head start in doing so
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if you grew you own, you would be committing an act of terrorism in the government's eyes
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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if you grew you own, you would be committing an act of terrorism in the government's eyes
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it would actually be manufacture of a controlled substance, but do continue burying yourself in your paranoid delusions if it makes you feel better.

what do you do for a living? professional mailbox checker?
 
Prefontaine

Prefontaine

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UncleBuck said:
no wonder you love ron paul so much, you can't do so without having that paranoia complex embedded in you.

the individual mandate is a non-criminal penalty if you don't pay it. you own't be going to jail.
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if it was voluntary it would not be a mandate, and the not going to jail part is up to future interpretation of the law, not supposed interpretation now, you say paranoia i say understanding history
 
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