UncleBuck
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and so help me god, if i catch you going even 1 mph over the speed limit, i will have you deported.
Immigration Reform
- Thread starter dukeanthony
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No country in the history of this planet has ever suceeded in opening its borders to whoevever wants to come across. It will make a country fail. poverty will continue to spread like wildfire.History shows it doesn't work. No better than socialism. But I guess thats the point. People here want america to fail. Right? I mean thats what I've been reading. people who seem to be concerned about regarding immigration say that this country is not America, and does not belong to Americans. they stole it. So then what the fuck am I paying taxes for? If these are not our roads, our schools, our bridges. Then why the fuck does the public have to keep paying for it all? Why don't we send the bill to Mexico if we are building all this shit for them like a bunch of slaves?
dukeanthony
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Quick
What were the Immigration requirements the first half of our existance as a country
Quick this is 2011, policies need to change over time as the world evolves. there was a time when people were invited, welcomed, and incentives were given to people who wanted to come to America. But even those people "registered" to be Americans. They did not just come into the country and do whatever they wanted. There was laws then, just like there are laws now. At the rate of growth in America's population, its unsastainable. It may sound cold, but its also a cold hard fact.
UncleBuck
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even the constitution?
dukeanthony
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Hey arent you the guy who advocates following the constitution? If so Doesnt the Constitution give the federal goverment sole power of immigration matters?
Why do you support Arizonas and Georgias newest laws?
It does? Please oh great one who says he knows what is in the Constitution, please oh please show us the part of the Constitution that deals with immigration. I'll wait. I seem to wait a lot when you make unbackable claims. I'm still waiting in 2 other threads also. You so slow.
dukeanthony
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Im at work who has power over naturalization .... the feds.
im still waiting on you making a valid argument
im still waiting on you making a valid argument
Arizona Alabama and Georgia's laws just reflect and re- enforce the federal laws which are currently in existance. Just because your liberal heroes in congress legislate does not make them above the law. We live in a Democracy. Bills like the dream act need to be voted on before they can come into law. Duke, I think you would feel more at home in North Korea or China, I'm not sure if democracy is right for you. America may not be your "true" home
The Feds? Nope. You seem to be confused on what "Government" consists of. perhaps you can elaborate. Fed just doesn't do it for me, that would mean ANY federal government agency. I want you to tell me EXACTLY who has power over whether or not you get to be a citizen. and then i want you to back up your claim with some evidence. Otherwise your posts are just jokes since you really never provide any kind of evidence, you just resort to logical fallacies to be the crux of your argument. Logical fallacies are easy to defeat, I want to hear some real debate out of you.
dukeanthony
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The Constitution never uses the word immigration, so how is it that the rules for immigrants, and quotas for countries, are set by the federal government and not by the state governments? After all, as the 10th Amendment states, are the powers not delegated to the United States held by the states, or the people?
The Supreme Court has ruled that the Congressional power to regulate naturalization, from Article 1, Section 8, includes the power to regulate immigration (see, for example, Hampton v. Mow Sun Wong, 426 U.S. 88 [1976]). It would not make sense to allow Congress to pass laws to determine how an immigrant becomes a naturalized resident if the Congress cannot determine how, or even if, that immigrant can come into the country in the first place. Just because the Constitution lacks the word immigration does not mean that it lacks the concept of immigration
dukeanthony
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Everyone of your posts are a joke
Now prove to me that what I posted above is not a fact
The Federal goverment has the power over immigration not the states
And just becuase the WORD slavery is not mentioned in the original constitution. The concept of Slavery was.
Now prove to me that what I posted above is not a fact
The Federal goverment has the power over immigration not the states
And just becuase the WORD slavery is not mentioned in the original constitution. The concept of Slavery was.
If you want low wage paying jobs move to Texas. I have no problem allowing work visas. The problem is the cost of entitlements that comes with the low income immigrants.
good article
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/georgias-new-immigration-law-leading-to-crops-rotting-in-farmers-fields/
According to the survey, more than 6,300 of the unclaimed jobs pay an hourly wage of just $7.25 to $8.99, or an average of roughly $8 an hour. Over a 40-hour work week in the South Georgia sun, that’s $320 a week, before taxes, although most workers probably put in considerably longer hours. Another 3,200 jobs pay $9 to $11 an hour. And while our agriculture commissioner has been quoted as saying Georgia farms provide “$12, $13, $14, $16, $18-an-hour jobs,” the survey reported just 169 openings out of more than 11,000 that pay $16 or more.
In addition, few of the jobs include benefits — only 7.7 percent offer health insurance, and barely a third are even covered by workers compensation. And the truth is that even if all 2,000 probationers in the region agreed to work at those rates and stuck it out — a highly unlikely event, to put it mildly — it wouldn’t fix the problem.
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It’s hard to envision a way out of this. Georgia farmers could try to solve the manpower shortage by offering higher wages, but that would create an entirely different set of problems. If they raise wages by a third to a half, which is probably what it would take, they would drive up their operating costs and put themselves at a severe price disadvantage against competitors in states without such tough immigration laws. That’s one of the major disadvantages of trying to implement immigration reform state by state, rather than all at once.
The pain this is causing is real. People are going to lose their crops, and in some cases their farms. The small-town businesses that supply those farms with goods and services are going to suffer as well. For economically embattled rural Georgia, this could be a major blow.
In addition, few of the jobs include benefits — only 7.7 percent offer health insurance, and barely a third are even covered by workers compensation. And the truth is that even if all 2,000 probationers in the region agreed to work at those rates and stuck it out — a highly unlikely event, to put it mildly — it wouldn’t fix the problem.
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It’s hard to envision a way out of this. Georgia farmers could try to solve the manpower shortage by offering higher wages, but that would create an entirely different set of problems. If they raise wages by a third to a half, which is probably what it would take, they would drive up their operating costs and put themselves at a severe price disadvantage against competitors in states without such tough immigration laws. That’s one of the major disadvantages of trying to implement immigration reform state by state, rather than all at once.
The pain this is causing is real. People are going to lose their crops, and in some cases their farms. The small-town businesses that supply those farms with goods and services are going to suffer as well. For economically embattled rural Georgia, this could be a major blow.
dukeanthony
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Politifact backs you upIf you want low wage paying jobs move to Texas. I have no problem allowing work visas. The problem is the cost of entitlements that comes with the low income immigrants.
good article
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/georgias-new-immigration-law-leading-to-crops-rotting-in-farmers-fields/According to the survey, more than 6,300 of the unclaimed jobs pay an hourly wage of just $7.25 to $8.99, or an average of roughly $8 an hour. Over a 40-hour work week in the South Georgia sun, that’s $320 a week, before taxes, although most workers probably put in considerably longer hours. Another 3,200 jobs pay $9 to $11 an hour. And while our agriculture commissioner has been quoted as saying Georgia farms provide “$12, $13, $14, $16, $18-an-hour jobs,” the survey reported just 169 openings out of more than 11,000 that pay $16 or more.
In addition, few of the jobs include benefits — only 7.7 percent offer health insurance, and barely a third are even covered by workers compensation. And the truth is that even if all 2,000 probationers in the region agreed to work at those rates and stuck it out — a highly unlikely event, to put it mildly — it wouldn’t fix the problem.
(…
It’s hard to envision a way out of this. Georgia farmers could try to solve the manpower shortage by offering higher wages, but that would create an entirely different set of problems. If they raise wages by a third to a half, which is probably what it would take, they would drive up their operating costs and put themselves at a severe price disadvantage against competitors in states without such tough immigration laws. That’s one of the major disadvantages of trying to implement immigration reform state by state, rather than all at once.
The pain this is causing is real. People are going to lose their crops, and in some cases their farms. The small-town businesses that supply those farms with goods and services are going to suffer as well. For economically embattled rural Georgia, this could be a major blow.
I think you'd be too scared to get a piece even if your life depended on it. Something about this fear I can smell all over you Duke. its intoxicating.
Article 1, section 8 gives the power to CONGRESS, not the federal Government. You are confused on what government even is.
dukeanthony
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Oh im sorry i didn't know congress wasnt one of the 3 branches of federal government
because you are a retard. Congress is the legislative branch
Shall I post this again?