Will you vote for Obama in 2012?
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BendBrewer
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If he is the best choice at the time. Anyone answering that question today is far too biased to offer anything to the discussion and not all that helpful to the election process. Those people tend to allow their feelings to dictate their decision. Thus they make poor ones.
But I have to say, as the incumbents and 2 PhDs the Dems have a solid ticket. But let's see what the Republicans end up Producing. If they manage to elect a strong and moderate candidate during the Primary we might end up with a difficult decision. That would be a good thing. But if the GOP elects a radical candidate, then I think the choice will be pretty easy to make for reasonable folks.
But I have to say, as the incumbents and 2 PhDs the Dems have a solid ticket. But let's see what the Republicans end up Producing. If they manage to elect a strong and moderate candidate during the Primary we might end up with a difficult decision. That would be a good thing. But if the GOP elects a radical candidate, then I think the choice will be pretty easy to make for reasonable folks.
Some of the polls I was looking at were:
Gallup has Obama losing by 8%
http://www.gallup.com/poll/148487/Republican-Candidate-Extends-Lead-Obama.aspx
Rasmussen has Obama losing by 6%
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/generic_presidential_ballot/election_2012_generic_presidential_ballot
MSNBC has Obama winning by 3%
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/NEWS/A_Politics/July_Poll.pdf
Real Clear Politics has the entire shibang averaged out with Obama losing by 3.6%
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_president_obama_vs_republican_candidate-1745.html#polls
Gallup has Obama losing by 8%
http://www.gallup.com/poll/148487/Republican-Candidate-Extends-Lead-Obama.aspx
Rasmussen has Obama losing by 6%
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/generic_presidential_ballot/election_2012_generic_presidential_ballot
MSNBC has Obama winning by 3%
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/NEWS/A_Politics/July_Poll.pdf
Real Clear Politics has the entire shibang averaged out with Obama losing by 3.6%
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_president_obama_vs_republican_candidate-1745.html#polls
budlover13
King Tut
For one to say that they would not vote for Obama, based on his actions so far, would simply be a good decision imo. i would rather see someone NOT vote than to vote for him or any of the other status quo. Alas though, that's what MOST of our choices are.
olylifter420
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i dont think the republicans have any one really good enough... Ron Paul, but who would be his running mate? it seems to me that the dems are going to have the WH again
TheGreenThumber
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I will most likely vote for obama again, due to the fact that most of the repub candidates at this moment are crazier than a shit house rat.
And I really dont think hes doing a terrible job.
And I really dont think hes doing a terrible job.
BendBrewer
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Those show Obama losing to an unnamed Republican. When the polls ask Obama vs a named Republican, Obama wins every poll.
It is just a generic Republican, we have no idea who will be the GOP contender.
Ron Paul would do good in general election, but most likely he isn't going to win the primary. He could possibly be a choice for VP, since he does well with independents and brings a lot of experience to the table, as well as a lot of fund raising strength. If he could keep from calling the presidential nominee names and calling him/her stupid. Not to mention the possibility of a Ron Paul supporter murdering you so Ron Paul would become the president.
BendBrewer
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Here are the numbers against the individual GOP candidates. Not looking good for Republicans.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/president_obama_vs_republican_candidates.html
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/president_obama_vs_republican_candidates.html
BendBrewer
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Polls show Paul loses to Obama by 10 points. RP is actually polling better than all but Romney who still polls behind the President.
The Republican nominee might not even be one of the people who are officially in it at the moment. I would be inclined to believe Rasmussen polls over Gallup, with MSNBC being about on level with a poll FOX might do. Rasmussen did the best on the last couple election cycles. Here is their latest Obama vs Romney poll that has Romney ahead by 1.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/election_2012_romney_43_obama_42
We can take turns holding her down and pooping on her.
BendBrewer
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I guess that means you lean right just like Rasmussen. I guess you already admitted to being biased. It is your right. But it is accepted by the vast majority that Rasmussen slants to the right. And as far as "Did the Best", that is simply not true.
olylifter420
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BendBrewer
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Scott Rasmussen was citied by political statistician Nate Silver as the least reliable and most biased pollster of the 2010 cycle.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Rasmussen#cite_note-24 Silver noted that Mr. Rasmussen's polls "exhibited a considerable bias toward Republican candidates." Silver explained that, on average, Rasmussen polls missed the actual margins by a considerable 5.8 points and his polls maintained an average bias of 3.8 points towards the Republican candidate. As a result of his erroneous polling, Mr. Rasmussen picked the wrong winner in 4 Senate races of the 2010 cycle; Nevada, Colorado, Alaska and Washington.
Best huh? Interesting...........
Best huh? Interesting...........
BendBrewer
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Scott Rasmussen was a weekly columnist for conservative news web site World Net Daily.
Yeah, nothing further needs to be said about the bias of Scott Rasmussen
You don't get any nuttier than the WND.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Net_Daily
Yeah, nothing further needs to be said about the bias of Scott Rasmussen
You don't get any nuttier than the WND.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Net_Daily
The issue with many of the high numbers that show Obama winning is they are by registered voters and not likely voters. Look through individual poll and read the wording. This changes the numbers quite a bit. Rasmussen polls likely voters and the number is much more accurate.
BendBrewer
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That's not true. No matter how many times you say it. His polls are not the most accurate and in fact averaged over 5 points off in 2010. His were in fact some of the least accurate. Did you not read the facts that I have posted?