My Substitute Reality.

[Murfy]

thanks jet-

appreciate ya stopping in.

 

[Murfy]

so i've been thinking-

its the opinion of a few around that the curing of the bud is the important thing . i'm one of them. i don't believe that the cannabis plant absorbs poop through it's roots.

with that being said i had an interesting conversation with a peer the other evening, about the possibility of OG style flavorings, in cannbis grown in michigan. adopted from the natural surroundings. his response to me was that it was impossible as the cannabis plant is an autroph. which in my understanding of the mechanism is incorrect.

Autotroph

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Overview of cycle between autotrophs and heterotrophs. Photosynthesis is the main means by which plants, algae and many bacteria produce organic compounds and oxygen from carbon dioxide and water (green arrow).


An autotroph[α], or producer, is an organism that produces complex organic compounds (such as carbohydrates, fats, and proteins) from simple inorganic molecules using energy from light (by photosynthesis) or inorganic chemical reactions (chemosynthesis). They are the producers in a food chain, such as plants on land or algae in water. They are able to make their own food and can fix carbon. Therefore, they do not utilize organic compounds as an energy source or a carbon source. Autotrophs can reduce carbon dioxide (add hydrogen to it) to make organic compounds. The reduction of carbon dioxide, a low-energy compound, creates a store of chemical energy. Most autotrophs use water as the reducing agent, but some can use other hydrogen compounds such as hydrogen sulfide. An autotroph converts physical energy from sun light (in case of green plants) into chemical energy in the form of reduced carbon.
Autotroph can be phototrophs or lithotrophs (chemoautotrophs). Phototrophs use light as an energy source, while lithotrophs oxidize inorganic compounds, such as hydrogen sulfide, elemental sulfur, ammonium and ferrous iron. Phototrophs and lithotrophs use a portion of the ATP produced during photosynthesis or the oxidation of inorganic compounds to reduce NADP+ to NADPH in order to form organic compounds.

so i lost him there.

i have been doing some research of my own, and have and am forming some interesting theories. i won't go into them now.

but i am interested in some feed back from others.

i began researching the closest thing i could think of. another medicine, with great benefit when used in moderation, that has unique flavors, embedded by its surrounding.

wine!

most wine producers agree its mild stresses on a said variety that coerce the grape into utilizing its ability to transfer contexts of the region into flavors within the grape.
and, they plant and graft varieties based on the aspects of the climate and the results they are trying to produce.

this is very interesting to me. i would enjoy the input of some medically minded, professional, californian growers. do you notice important flavor variations, from different locally produced flowers. do you try and use native soils to produce "flavor" indicative of the northern cali region? do you believe being in close proximity to water produces a noticeable effect on flavor?
sub, fdd? you guys have opinions that i'm interested in, as you are producing medicine first, and you are in the locale.

also i believe that fermentation is key in the production of high grade medicine. in wine making especially, the longer the alcohol sits, the more distinct and complex the flavors become.
i would like to try this with cannabis. is there some way to stop the fermentation process and trap the alcohol produces for indefinite periods of time to produce bouquet?

any opinions on this are welcome and appreciated.

 

[lowryder666]

remember when?-

it was all about love, and sharing. music, and drink. the moon over the fire?

everyone i thought i knew is being corrupted somehow? and instead of maturity bringing enlightenment and generosity, it seems to be resulting in only one overwhelming characteristic; GREED.

character used to make life interesting. it seems as though anymore, masses are STRIVING to be homogeneous. how utterly fucking insipid.


with all that in mind i figured i would share. we'll begin in the lab.

LOL - exceptional insight dude. We do all create our own universe but don't give up up on people too easily. Remember... when we create our own universe we get to choose our friends too. Perhaps you're not making the right choices

Fuck.... Yoda moment

 

[Murfy]

right on-

there are diamonds in the rough! friends, what are those. you mean the guy you call and he asks " do i have time to put my boots on?". i only have one.

thanks for stopping in lowryder. any opinions on the terpenes?

 

[Murfy]

found this-
i would say it's close nad is a term i will begin using

Terroir

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The steep slope, soil composition and influence of the nearby Mosel river are unique aspects of the terroir of this German wine region.


Terroir (French pronunciation: [tɛʁwaʁ]) comes from the word terre "land". It was originally a French term in wine, coffee and tea used to denote the special characteristics that the geography, geology and climate of a certain place bestowed upon particular varieties. Agricultural sites in the same region share similar soil, weather conditions, and farming techniques, which all contribute to the unique qualities of the crop. It can be very loosely translated as "a sense of place," which is embodied in certain characteristic qualities, the sum of the effects that the local environment has had on the production of the product. Terroir is often italicized in English writing to show that it is a French loanword. The concept of terroir is at the base of the French wine Appellation d'origine contrôlée (AOC) system that has been the model for appellation and wine laws across the globe. At its core is the assumption that the land from which the grapes are grown imparts a unique quality that is specific to that region. The amount of influence and the scope that falls under the description of terroir has been a controversial topic in the wine industry

 

[Murfy]

went to the last dead show in MI-

jerry went to ohio a couple days later and died.

believe it or not, michigan has a wine industry. as a matter of fact some of the vineyards here are world renowned. the capcity for this type of agriculture applied to medical cannabis growing is going to be a game changer.
anyone can hang a light, and grow good medicine. this is what will make the difference. the people doing it now with othe rspecies of plants aren't experiencing any decline in demand. and neither will cannabis growers that can capitalize on this technique.

another commonly known growing area is the pacific northwest. bud from there is undeniable. it tastes/smells of the rainforest. my girl is from the south side of the sound and begs me to move there, if only for the bud.

 

[Murfy]

acquiring the knowledge to grow great medicine is tiring-

off to make some special brownies. they'll come in handy at the family sponsored easter breakfast tomorrow.
think i'd pass weak medibles to my family unknowingly?
prolly not, but it's fun to think about.

thanks deprave.

 

[deprave]

lol no prob man, yea I have been thinking on kind of the same page lately. As in wine making, the grapes need to be acclimated to the local climate, this can be seen in that Michigan grapes and wine is much different to California wine or Arizona wine, I have been thinking this is the approach that needs to be taken with cannabis and the pioneers of these genetics could be successful, not necessarily monetarily but at least they will bring good local genetics to the region and possibly change the face of cannabis and also the region.

This is why I want to get in to inbreeding for our climate, starting with the genetics we obtain as only a base, in 10 years or so the strain would be acclimated to Michigan, it would carry its own unique qualities and would be one of the first strains to do so.

Not only would michigan bud become to be known for its unique qualities but I think it would be greatly different from many of the marijuana we covet today, Michigan being the only inland peninsula on the continent could provide us with some exotic traits.

You know I have been all over the world and smoked the cannabis, some of the best I have smoked is from the florida swamps believe it or not and swamps we have a plenty of, I have been reading about "swamp tubes" lately in preparation for some swamp growing.

 

[Murfy]

now we're on to something-

a hybrid to take advantage of michigan.

brilliant.

 

[abe supercro]

swamp grow tubes.. sounds interesting, will look into that. i like this memetics concept from this hippie:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLvg-HNHWRg

 

[Murfy]

thanks abe-
good link. i've never looked into soma before but i like his ethos.

memetics.

 

[Murfy]

i'm interested in these "splitters"-

run two 600 bulbs on 1 1000W ballast. i t seems as though these would under power the bulbs. how do they operate? they look fairly simple, but i am unable to find much info on them.
if these could be built cheaply and are efficient they could be a good idea?

 

[Murfy]

fdd, UB, riddle,rose-

they're all right. snake oil. you do NOT need fancy fertilizer and mysterious powders, (that your hydro guy says is the shit, but has no idea what it does, secret he says), to grow great pot.

pics coming. walkin into the flower room this morning blew ME away.

this jilly bean is my new love! what a beautiful ganja plant. i'm growin one outside for sure.

 

[abe supercro]

a full healthy flowering room in a sea of light... nothing beats that (well, v. few things).

considering outdoor plants best suited for our climate, we could look to what has succeeded in canada. the best (compact, fast, mold resistant) i've run across was from there, pink freeze. another fast similar candidate i acquired is from greenhouse seeds, the church.

i've decided to keep giving tga strains a chance after being gifted an awesome sativa pheno of jack the ripper, tastes like lemons and mango. so now i have two new mature female seedlings, jacks cleaner 2 and querkle... so many flavors, so little time!

 

[Murfy]

http://www.sapphireenergy.com/

 

[IAm5toned]

i'm interested in these "splitters"-

run two 600 bulbs on 1 1000W ballast. i t seems as though these would under power the bulbs. how do they operate? they look fairly simple, but i am unable to find much info on them.
if these could be built cheaply and are efficient they could be a good idea?

something about a splitter for an HID light stinks...
ive never actually ran across one myself. but what im thinking will happen is this-
they will work, but will more than likely fry your ballast over time and dramatically shorten your lamp life.... but im really just shooting from the hip, as Ive never ran across one in my travels.
what we call undervoltage, that is, a deficiency of available power to an electrical device, is actually more damaging to the components of the system than having too high of a voltage..., especially if it is an inductive load... HID lights are, well im sure you know, an inductive load.
id be scared to try one on my 'a team' line up... maybe on one of my b or c squads... a ballast and lamps i can afford to loose.
im also curious just how much of the lumen output of the lamps will be affected..... since you would literally be running the ballast @ 120% of its efficiency, id be almost willing to bet a paycheck your lumen output would be depreciated by a factor of 20%, as compared to having (2) 600w ballasts... and I know that the cap/starters would most definitly be affected. a cap/starter is a replaceable part as is, running them @ 120% is going to shorten there service life.. there's no doubt in my mind of that.
theres alot of things wrong with this 'splitter' murfy... but having not ever seen one or worked with one, thats about the most I can comment on it without taking big leaps of faith lol.
id really like to see one of these in action.... im no mad scientist genius, but I do know that electricity obeys the laws of physics and thermodynamics... and the numbers just dont add up on being able to run a 1200w load on a 1000w ballast...... it goes against everything that electricians and engineers are taught! i love to say I have an open mind, but without ever having saw one, or heard of one, im kind of skeptical of the idea.

 

[IAm5toned]

acquiring the knowledge to grow great medicine is tiring-

off to make some special brownies. they'll come in handy at the family sponsored easter breakfast tomorrow.
think i'd pass weak medibles to my family unknowingly?
prolly not, but it's fun to think about.

thanks deprave.

man thats just to tempting to even contemplate....
growing your own 3-6 months
nutes- 200$
butter and brownie mix- 10$
seeing my rich upper society bostonian aunt with a giggle fit and the munchies now... absolutely fucking priceless.

 

[Murfy]

[video=youtube;SuLsUApPjCo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuLsUApPjCo&feature=player_embedded[/video]

thanks 5toned-

that's about what i figured. this doesn't obey the laws of Mr. Ohm. the device looks simple though, and i was wondering if there was something i'm missing. alot of guys are showing up at the hydro shop ordering these.

my advice is it will wreck your ballast and bulb at the same time. they bought them anyway.
thanks for dropping in 5toned.

 

[deprave]

I am sure its just the vid but those dont look like near 600W at all as far as the light they are putting out, anyone else?

 

[IAm5toned]

well in the vid it says 'recommended for magnetic ballasts only' yet there running it off a quantum 1000w digi lol.
on the device itself it is labeled 'for sunpulse lamps only' yet in the vid they use a sunpulse lamp and a hortilux...
so i duno man. call me skeptical, but i cant put my stamp of approval on it without some hard data...