Billy the Mountain
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Turtles have more spine than Mitch does.
You'd think he might show a little intestinal fortitude on his way out.
He makes Lindsey Graham look like a profile in courage.
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Turtles have more spine than Mitch does.
You'd think he might show a little intestinal fortitude on his way out.
He makes Lindsey Graham look like a profile in courage.
BudmanTX
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so much for the party of law and order.......MAGA Johnson.....yeah lets defund these groups cause we are scared they may find our hidden crimes.....
printer
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Bipartisan group pitches border-Ukraine bill as ‘pressure point’ on GOP leaders
A bipartisan group of House lawmakers is amplifying its calls for Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) to stage a vote on legislation linking foreign military aid with domestic border security, framing that combination as the only recipe for getting Ukraine assistance through a deeply divided Congress.
Rep. Brian Fitzpatrick (R-Pa.), the lead sponsor of the legislation, said he’s working directly with Johnson’s office to get the package to the House floor through regular channels. But if the Speaker refuses to comply, then the bill’s supporters will begin the process of gathering signatures — beginning as early as this week — on a procedural tool, known as a discharge petition, to force the bill to the floor.
“If the House cannot come to a consensus on a bill to be put on the floor, the alternative can’t be that Ukraine fails and our border remains open. We can’t allow that to happen,” Fitzpatrick said Wednesday morning during a press briefing in the Capitol. “So this is not a workaround of anyone or any post. This is a pressure point, to try to apply pressure to force something to the floor.”
The effort is a longshot. Discharge petitions rarely work — the last successful effort was in 2015 — and party leaders on both sides of the aisle have put up early roadblocks.
Former President Trump, for instance, is opposed to any new Ukraine aid or border security measures before November’s elections — a stance popular among House conservatives. And some House Democratic leaders have already rejected Fitzpatrick’s policy blueprint, preferring a bipartisan Senate-passed proposal providing foreign aid without the border language.
Still, Fitzpatrick and the other supporters of the Ukraine-border package maintain that it represents Congress’s last best chance of getting aid for Kyiv to President Biden’s desk this year.
“It is an unsustainable argument, either in the short-term or the long-term, that we’re going to defend the borders of our foreign allies but not our own,” Fitzpatrick said, highlighting the central barrier facing the Senate bill.
Fitzpatrick said his discharge petition will mature Friday, meaning lawmakers can begin to endorse it, and he’s “very confident” it can win the 218 signatures needed to force a vote on the bill.
His petition was designed to bring the bill to the floor without going through the House Rules Committee, where conservatives would likely block it. And it allows for one sweeping “substitute” amendment that will empower lawmakers in both parties to make changes — some of them major — before the final vote.
Fitzpatrick acknowledged, for instance, that most Democrats would not support the proposal as it stands because it excludes humanitarian aid for Palestinians in Gaza — a provision he’d like to see added — while Republicans will likely demand more funding to grant Border Patrol agents with more powers to execute migrant expulsions.
“This is a bare-bones version of where the points of intersection between Democrats and Republicans are,” he said. “This will not be the final bill text.”
Behind Fitzpatrick and Rep. Jared Golden (D-Maine), the bipartisan group had introduced its legislative package last month as an alternative approach to a Senate-passed bill featuring aid for Ukraine, Israel and Gaza, but without provisions to strengthen the U.S. border.
Although the Senate bill had won the support of 22 Republicans, including Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), the appetite for more Ukraine aid has waned within the GOP over the two years since Russia’s invasion, and Trump has led the charge in opposition to any new assistance before November’s elections.
Trump’s position has been embraced by a number of House conservatives, who either oppose Ukraine aid outright or won’t support it without the accompanying provisions to strengthen security at the U.S.-Mexico border.
Johnson has so far sided with the conservatives, refusing to consider the Senate-passed bill while continuing to insist on the strict border measures contained in a Republican immigration bill, H.R. 2, which passed through the House last year but is a non-starter with Democrats.
Fitzpatrick said he’s been in direct conversations with both Johnson and House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries (D-N.Y.) about his intentions for the discharge petition. But conservatives aren’t the only barrier he’s facing as he eyes endorsements for his discharge petition.
Liberals are up-in-arms over the tens of thousands of civilian deaths in Gaza, with some opposed to even the Senate bill because it provides more weapons for Israel. Other Democrats, especially those in the Hispanic Caucus, are likely to balk at the tougher border provisions, particularly a “remain in Mexico” stipulation that had previously been adopted under the Trump administration.
Last week, Rep. Pete Aguilar (Calif.), chair of the House Democratic Caucus, shot down the Ukraine-border proposal, arguing that the resolution to the impasse has already been sent over from the upper chamber.
“The solution is incredibly clear. It is the bipartisan solution that has 70 votes out of the United States Senate,” Aguilar said.
Yet the highest barrier to Ukraine aid remains Trump and the House conservatives who are pressing Johnson to oppose any foreign aid package before Trump’s potential return to the White House. It’s a dynamic that hasn’t been lost on Fitzpatrick and the other supporters of the Ukraine-border package.
“I think he wants to get to a yes, here,” Fitzpatrick said. “He’s in a very tough political position in our conference. That’s no secret, you all write about it every day, and it’s true.
“He’s in a tough political situation.”
thehill.com
A bipartisan group of House lawmakers is amplifying its calls for Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) to stage a vote on legislation linking foreign military aid with domestic border security, framing that combination as the only recipe for getting Ukraine assistance through a deeply divided Congress.
Rep. Brian Fitzpatrick (R-Pa.), the lead sponsor of the legislation, said he’s working directly with Johnson’s office to get the package to the House floor through regular channels. But if the Speaker refuses to comply, then the bill’s supporters will begin the process of gathering signatures — beginning as early as this week — on a procedural tool, known as a discharge petition, to force the bill to the floor.
“If the House cannot come to a consensus on a bill to be put on the floor, the alternative can’t be that Ukraine fails and our border remains open. We can’t allow that to happen,” Fitzpatrick said Wednesday morning during a press briefing in the Capitol. “So this is not a workaround of anyone or any post. This is a pressure point, to try to apply pressure to force something to the floor.”
The effort is a longshot. Discharge petitions rarely work — the last successful effort was in 2015 — and party leaders on both sides of the aisle have put up early roadblocks.
Former President Trump, for instance, is opposed to any new Ukraine aid or border security measures before November’s elections — a stance popular among House conservatives. And some House Democratic leaders have already rejected Fitzpatrick’s policy blueprint, preferring a bipartisan Senate-passed proposal providing foreign aid without the border language.
Still, Fitzpatrick and the other supporters of the Ukraine-border package maintain that it represents Congress’s last best chance of getting aid for Kyiv to President Biden’s desk this year.
“It is an unsustainable argument, either in the short-term or the long-term, that we’re going to defend the borders of our foreign allies but not our own,” Fitzpatrick said, highlighting the central barrier facing the Senate bill.
Fitzpatrick said his discharge petition will mature Friday, meaning lawmakers can begin to endorse it, and he’s “very confident” it can win the 218 signatures needed to force a vote on the bill.
His petition was designed to bring the bill to the floor without going through the House Rules Committee, where conservatives would likely block it. And it allows for one sweeping “substitute” amendment that will empower lawmakers in both parties to make changes — some of them major — before the final vote.
Fitzpatrick acknowledged, for instance, that most Democrats would not support the proposal as it stands because it excludes humanitarian aid for Palestinians in Gaza — a provision he’d like to see added — while Republicans will likely demand more funding to grant Border Patrol agents with more powers to execute migrant expulsions.
“This is a bare-bones version of where the points of intersection between Democrats and Republicans are,” he said. “This will not be the final bill text.”
Behind Fitzpatrick and Rep. Jared Golden (D-Maine), the bipartisan group had introduced its legislative package last month as an alternative approach to a Senate-passed bill featuring aid for Ukraine, Israel and Gaza, but without provisions to strengthen the U.S. border.
Although the Senate bill had won the support of 22 Republicans, including Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), the appetite for more Ukraine aid has waned within the GOP over the two years since Russia’s invasion, and Trump has led the charge in opposition to any new assistance before November’s elections.
Trump’s position has been embraced by a number of House conservatives, who either oppose Ukraine aid outright or won’t support it without the accompanying provisions to strengthen security at the U.S.-Mexico border.
Johnson has so far sided with the conservatives, refusing to consider the Senate-passed bill while continuing to insist on the strict border measures contained in a Republican immigration bill, H.R. 2, which passed through the House last year but is a non-starter with Democrats.
Fitzpatrick said he’s been in direct conversations with both Johnson and House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries (D-N.Y.) about his intentions for the discharge petition. But conservatives aren’t the only barrier he’s facing as he eyes endorsements for his discharge petition.
Liberals are up-in-arms over the tens of thousands of civilian deaths in Gaza, with some opposed to even the Senate bill because it provides more weapons for Israel. Other Democrats, especially those in the Hispanic Caucus, are likely to balk at the tougher border provisions, particularly a “remain in Mexico” stipulation that had previously been adopted under the Trump administration.
Last week, Rep. Pete Aguilar (Calif.), chair of the House Democratic Caucus, shot down the Ukraine-border proposal, arguing that the resolution to the impasse has already been sent over from the upper chamber.
“The solution is incredibly clear. It is the bipartisan solution that has 70 votes out of the United States Senate,” Aguilar said.
Yet the highest barrier to Ukraine aid remains Trump and the House conservatives who are pressing Johnson to oppose any foreign aid package before Trump’s potential return to the White House. It’s a dynamic that hasn’t been lost on Fitzpatrick and the other supporters of the Ukraine-border package.
“I think he wants to get to a yes, here,” Fitzpatrick said. “He’s in a very tough political position in our conference. That’s no secret, you all write about it every day, and it’s true.
“He’s in a tough political situation.”
Bipartisan group pitches border-Ukraine bill as ‘pressure point’ on GOP leaders
A bipartisan group of House lawmakers is amplifying its calls for Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) to stage a vote on legislation linking foreign military aid with domestic border security, framing tha…
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Bagginski
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Not actually disagreeing, y’know - if nothing changes from here, the current currents might or might not hold their value; if THESE are Biden’s poll numbers from now thru Labor Day, THAT would fucking matter. Too much of the current chaff (deceptive, blinding bullshit) originates via the Kremlin/Mar-a-Lago axis & the alt-freakzone
Things will not go Groundhog Day on us.
Things *will* happen, and public opinion *will* shift again & again over the next nine months, Mike Flynn will see to it. THE TREND is that shit will continue to be made up & flung…and every time they crank it up a notch, more & more of the MAGA faithful will reach their personal breaking point, the event horizon of their credibility @ which the bullshit field collapses & the scales fall from their eyes.
They’ll either quit the party, double down AGAIN, or go insane
So, more important than public opinion now on November is the reduction of the GOP House into the worst 3 Stooges skit imaginable, the fact that HE CAN’T DIG UP MORE VOTERS UNLESS HE MEANS IT LITERALLY
Yeah, it’s all goddam noisy repetitive & stupid, but he’s LOSING voters, and his base has been all-in with him & on him from the beginning. There ARE another new votes for him. Not real ones
in ‘20, TFFG got ~67% of the Republican eligible electorate, IVRs factored in. YOU remember, they weren’t sitting it out, were they?
And yet, not everyone who voted Republican that day voted for him. They passed over him.
If they see a post-watergate pullback at the polls like they did on TFFG in ‘20 as well, say 7%, that’s 5.6 million votes.
Repeated democrat strength in elections, the cases waiting trial…
(Let me say that while IT WOULD BE GREAT if all that were sewn up *before Election Day*, their sheer existence is a disaster for the fucking prick (TFP hereafter): revelations from the trial in medias res will eviscerate his support & will be much more of a souls-searching agony for the average MAGAdamian…and *public pressure* will drive it)
…his deteriorating condition, some well-placed TFP-adjacent outrage about the TFP’s White House as a fucking drug bazaar & etc demonstrate that whatever the mood of the pollable moment, the tide has turned against him and his crime machine
Sure, I could be wrong. All I have is several lifetimes it seems watching this shit play out - from the original red scare forward, so how I weigh things is my own, some thing I figured out over the years. I’ll fully confess that I’m often wrong about what might happen in terms of what *does* happen, but I feel pretty good about my big-picture
‘Course, it could always be bigger.
Maybe when I make it to the mountainto
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Bagginski
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“You knew I was a snapper when you saw me”
Bagginski
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Motherfucker, this *IS* a coup d’estupide
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
A coup d’étwat? starring Boebs and Gan, now that Karion jumped in the Lake …
Incidentally, while TFP has a certain je ne sais Jacques, my preferred term for him keeps cycling through That Russian Asset In The Oval Room. Killer acronym.
Sativied
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This is similar to what I was going for with my storytelling analogy and that Trump’s stories are of such low quality people will get tired of it. I have no “trends“ to back it up, but I “feel” Trump is going to exhaust many of his supporters. Grab ‘m by the pussy didn’t change anything, while back then many were like surely decent republican christian conservative women and their caring husbands can’t possibly vote for him. Instead, they got t-shirts, begging Trump to grab them. All the indictments, still “favorable”. But this: “every time they crank it up a notch“ is where I think Trump will overplay his cards.
Trump is the RINO. He is not a conservative. He’s not putting America first (only himself). And he sure isn’t a good christian in a way good christians can respect. I don’t even doubt there’s going to be a point where he takes it too far and many republicans can openly and honestly and permanently admit that no matter what side you’re on, Trump should not have any power or influence. I do fear that might not happen in 2024. Those nine months is nothing, will be over before you know it. In fact, another month has past already, it’s eight months till election day.
This is pretty messed up, some of it really messed up up…
Promises Donald Trump has made so far in his campaign for a second term
The former president has made a number of promises on the campaign trail. Here are some of the policies Trump says he would enact if elected for a second term.
edition.cnn.com
Trump had time to “think”, makes him more dangerous, but cranking it up a notch will also make the damage he does more quickly noticeable. Republicans may have blinders on when it comes to Bidenomics but Trumpenomics will have a direct negative effect on what people can afford. Wanna learn the difference between inflation and purchasing power, personal finamce and national economy, vote Trump. It would be masochistic but educational.
I‘ll repeat I think the only label that should have been used from the start, exclusively, repetively, ad nauseum, is: idiot. Anything else is too much credit, acknowledging he’s more than just an idiot who shouldn’t be listened to, not acknowledged, not legitimized as politician or leader. Definitely not vote-worthy.
Budzbuddha
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hanimmal
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I'm curious to see when the dictators of the planet start screwing with our gas prices, and what Biden is able to do to counter it.
Real time programming for his cult. Because Dear Leader can't let them hear Biden talk and break the spell on them even for a hour.
Budzbuddha
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cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Idiot denotes low intelligence. That seems correct, but somewhat beside the point. I see it as a minor component of the bigger picture. It does not describe that man’s colossal malice, dishonesty and corruption.
(In one word, evil.)
As for the rest, yeah.
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Budzbuddha
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compassionateExotic
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Budzbuddha
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Mr. Look at me i want attention is pushing a sad SOTU doppelgänger show on Truth Social - clown parade and grifting expected.
Bagginski
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Like a political hadron collider….
As for what Joe can do, we *are* the producingest place around, and…it *IS* called a strategic petroleum reserve
BINGO
As the pace/volume/stench increases, the overall centrifugal force intensifies & starts to, um, throw off the bits that aren’t holding on tight enough, so it takes more work, more effort to keep them hanging on, but that bumps up the momentum…and there is no stopping it. They are auguring in.
printer
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"...and there is more yet!"
Santos to make surprise appearance at Capitol for State of the Union
Former Rep. George Santos (R-N.Y.) will make a surprise appearance at the Capitol Thursday for President Biden’s State of the Union address, two sources familiar confirmed to The Hill, roughly three months after he was expelled from the House in a historic, bipartisan vote.
Despite being expelled in December, Santos retains privileges to access the House floor. It is unclear if he will sit on the floor or in the public gallery.
Santos’s trip to Capitol Hill for the annual speech marks the first time he is back in the building since his ouster late last year, he told Fox News.
“It’s the State of the Union, why not,” he said when asked why he decided to return. “It’s a privilege.”
The House voted 311-114-2 to oust Santos on Dec. 1, making him the sixth lawmaker in history to be booted from the lower chamber. On his way out of the chamber during that vote, he told reporters “to hell with this place.”
His expulsion — which was successful on the third attempt to remove him from office — came after he was charged with 23 criminal counts connected to allegations that he misled donors, fraudulently received unemployment benefits, and charged his donors’ credit cards without authorization.
Santos has pleaded not guilty to all charges and is scheduled to go to trial in September.
The final straw in his congressional career, however, was the release of a damning report from the House Ethics Committee that said he “violated federal criminal laws.”
Thursday’s State of the Union will be the second time Santos has listened to the annual speech in the House chamber. Last year, he drew headlines before the speech after having a heated encounter with Sen. Mitt Romney (R-Utah) on the House floor.
“I don’t know the exact words I said. He shouldn’t have been there. Look, he’s a sick puppy. He shouldn’t have been there,” Romney told reporters after the speech, speaking about Santos.
“I don’t think he ought to be in Congress, and he certainly shouldn’t be in the aisle trying to shake the hand of the president of the United States and dignitaries coming in. It’s an embarrassment,” he added.
Santos responded, “I think it’s reprehensible the senator would say such a thing to me. … It wasn’t very Mormon of him.”
In November, one day before his expulsion, Santos said he was not sure if he would ever return to the Capitol to use his floor privileges, but he noted it would not happen soon.
“I don’t know,” Santos told a small group of reporters during an interview when asked if he would ever make an appearance in the Capitol again. “Not in the near future, I don’t believe.”
“It’s [a] sour relationship with a lot of people in the body, so I don’t think I would come back to this format of Congress,” he added.
Santos told Fox News on Thursday that he met with a bipartisan group of his former colleagues before the speech. Asked how it is to be back in the Capitol, Santos said: “it’s different.”
“Definitely the People’s House, it’s always a humbling experience and it’s always great to be back,” he added.
Pressed on if it would be his last time returning to the building, he said: “I don’t know.”
thehill.com
Santos to make surprise appearance at Capitol for State of the Union
Former Rep. George Santos (R-N.Y.) will make a surprise appearance at the Capitol Thursday for President Biden’s State of the Union address, two sources familiar confirmed to The Hill, roughly three months after he was expelled from the House in a historic, bipartisan vote.
Despite being expelled in December, Santos retains privileges to access the House floor. It is unclear if he will sit on the floor or in the public gallery.
Santos’s trip to Capitol Hill for the annual speech marks the first time he is back in the building since his ouster late last year, he told Fox News.
“It’s the State of the Union, why not,” he said when asked why he decided to return. “It’s a privilege.”
The House voted 311-114-2 to oust Santos on Dec. 1, making him the sixth lawmaker in history to be booted from the lower chamber. On his way out of the chamber during that vote, he told reporters “to hell with this place.”
His expulsion — which was successful on the third attempt to remove him from office — came after he was charged with 23 criminal counts connected to allegations that he misled donors, fraudulently received unemployment benefits, and charged his donors’ credit cards without authorization.
Santos has pleaded not guilty to all charges and is scheduled to go to trial in September.
The final straw in his congressional career, however, was the release of a damning report from the House Ethics Committee that said he “violated federal criminal laws.”
Thursday’s State of the Union will be the second time Santos has listened to the annual speech in the House chamber. Last year, he drew headlines before the speech after having a heated encounter with Sen. Mitt Romney (R-Utah) on the House floor.
“I don’t know the exact words I said. He shouldn’t have been there. Look, he’s a sick puppy. He shouldn’t have been there,” Romney told reporters after the speech, speaking about Santos.
“I don’t think he ought to be in Congress, and he certainly shouldn’t be in the aisle trying to shake the hand of the president of the United States and dignitaries coming in. It’s an embarrassment,” he added.
Santos responded, “I think it’s reprehensible the senator would say such a thing to me. … It wasn’t very Mormon of him.”
In November, one day before his expulsion, Santos said he was not sure if he would ever return to the Capitol to use his floor privileges, but he noted it would not happen soon.
“I don’t know,” Santos told a small group of reporters during an interview when asked if he would ever make an appearance in the Capitol again. “Not in the near future, I don’t believe.”
“It’s [a] sour relationship with a lot of people in the body, so I don’t think I would come back to this format of Congress,” he added.
Santos told Fox News on Thursday that he met with a bipartisan group of his former colleagues before the speech. Asked how it is to be back in the Capitol, Santos said: “it’s different.”
“Definitely the People’s House, it’s always a humbling experience and it’s always great to be back,” he added.
Pressed on if it would be his last time returning to the building, he said: “I don’t know.”
Santos to make surprise appearance at Capitol for State of the Union
Former Rep. George Santos (R-N.Y.) will make a surprise appearance at the Capitol Thursday for President Biden’s State of the Union address, two sources familiar confirmed to The Hill, r…
thehill.com
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Somebody needs to produce an adult film called Large Hardon Collider.