The US interests in the Nord Stream sabotages

hanimmal

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Has the pungent smell of truth to it doesn't it?
Allies you say?
You have to love new allies. The enemy of my enemy and all that.
Does the US have allies with Ukraine?


The U.S. maintains an embassy in the Ukrainian capital Kyiv, and Ukraine maintains an embassy in the American capital Washington, D.C. In addition to diplomatic support in its conflict with Russia, the U.S. provided Ukraine with US$1.5 billion in military aid from 2014 to 2019.


Out of curiosity as im not up on the Hunter investigation but when was he in the Ukraine?
Your post has a whiff of something, but it is not the truth.

Russia has been actively attacking Ukraine (and America, and every there Democracy) since 2014. Shocker.

Nice try at the right wing click bait troll topic shoutout though, your fellow countryman who spreads the same propaganda would be proud.

NS2 did cost the Russians already 11 billion bucks in february this year, it an irony someone would just invest this for some market manipulation.

This is from the link an article from 24.02.2022

and the article clearly reveils some of the ulterior motives/interests: to antagonize Russia

U.S. slaps sanctions on company building Russia's Nord Stream 2 pipeline
lmao you say that the pipeline cost 11 billion and that Russia paid for it all, which sounds fishy. My guess is the Russian company Gazpom (or however it is spelled that was already going bankrupt) made Putin's oligarch running it a ton of EU money that they will later get paid more when it is time to repair the pipeline, meanwhile Putin can move that oil to India/China/other dictatorships.

This is Putin's war, any of this bush trolling deflections trying to pretend otherwise is really at this point just insulting. But I guess that is the point of threads like this.
 
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Kassiopeija

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lmao you say that the pipeline cost 11 billion and that Russia paid for it all, which sounds fishy. My guess is the Russian company Gazpom (or however it is spelled that was already going bankrupt) made Putin's oligarch running it a ton of EU money that they will later get paid more when it is time to repair the pipeline, meanwhile Putin can move that oil to India/China/other dictatorships.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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NS2 did cost the Russians already 11 billion bucks in february this year, it an irony someone would just invest this for some market manipulation.

This is from the link an article from 24.02.2022

and the article clearly reveils some of the ulterior motives/interests: to antagonize Russia

U.S. slaps sanctions on company building Russia's Nord Stream 2 pipeline
https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/exclusive-nord-stream-2-owner-considers-insolvency-after-pipeline-halt-sanctions-2022-03-01/
you don't even know who is financing and building the thing you're talking about...Gazprom paid half the cost of building Nord Stream 2, with the remainder of the $11 billion pipeline project financed by British oil and gas major Shell (SHEL.L), Austria's OMV (OMVV.VI), France's Engie and Germany's Uniper (UN01.DE) and Wintershall DEA (WINT.UL).
so yeah, the US, Brits, Austria, France, and Germany all got together to screw themselves out of half of 11 Billion...to piss off the russians...who just coincidentally get out of their contract that could have been incredible harmful to them...boy that fucking goddamn giant coincidence sure is fortuitous to russia. good for them, they need at least one win, they haven't had one in a while, and it looks like it might be an even longer while before they get another, with Ukraine stomping their guts out of their mouth...at least that's what is happening to the russians that aren't running away like little girls.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/exclusive-nord-stream-2-owner-considers-insolvency-after-pipeline-halt-sanctions-2022-03-01/
you don't even know who is financing and building the thing you're talking about...Gazprom paid half the cost of building Nord Stream 2, with the remainder of the $11 billion pipeline project financed by British oil and gas major Shell (SHEL.L), Austria's OMV (OMVV.VI), France's Engie and Germany's Uniper (UN01.DE) and Wintershall DEA (WINT.UL).
so yeah, the US, Brits, Austria, France, and Germany all got together to screw themselves out of half of 11 Billion...to piss off the russians...who just coincidentally get out of their contract that could have been incredible harmful to them...boy that fucking goddamn giant coincidence sure is fortuitous to russia. good for them, they need at least one win, they haven't had one in a while, and it looks like it might be an even longer while before they get another, with Ukraine stomping their guts out of their mouth...at least that's what is happening to the russians that aren't running away like little girls.
isn’t Shell Dutch?
 

Kassiopeija

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to piss off the russians...who just coincidentally get out of their contract that could have been incredible harmful to them...boy that fucking goddamn giant coincidence sure is fortuitous to russia.
lol they/we had NS1 going successfully and demand is asking for a double. What exactly is "incredibly harmful" in doing business and selling gas?
They want it even without NS2, but your US financed Maidan shills in Kiew steal that gas en route to Europe, yes, they are so corrupt they steal.
Well, at least, that was being reported for some time now before the shit broke loose.
 

Sativied

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As a kid I was so grumpy about my parents boycotting shell over apartheid. I just wanted to stop at the nice gas station, it had better snacks dammit.

Shell is British, but it is the royal Dutch Shell Corp...back in the 70s Shell mergerged with a Dutch company and that's how it got the name and association.
Which is history too since Jan 2022. Headquarters was and remained in NL for a long time mostly for tax purposes, moved back after Brexit for the same reason. 'Royal Dutch' (a title companies in NL over 100 years in business can request) has since been dropped from the name as well. Sure still a lot of Dutch employees and shareholders, but it's now fully British on paper too.


In NL it's mostly people whose employer or business pays for gasoline who fill up at Shell, usually the most expensive per liter in a given area. Shell and ExxonMobile own NAM (Dutch natural gas company) who's mainly responsible for pumping the gas out of the ground and sea here. From the stupid amount of money they made over a few decades, they got 75%, 25% went to NL (which was enough to build a welfare state that's been broken down over the past cabinets).

"Bye Felicia" The mess they made in Nigeria should be enough to boycott them. If that doesn't, the report about climate change they didn't publicize decades ago (predicting this mess) should do it.

At least till I travel abroad. Once you passed enough of the ones with crappy snacks that yellow shell starts glowing in the distance like a big M...
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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they could send methane and receive payment by doing so
This is how i see it, not being combative...They don't have access to the repairs and replacement parts the pipeline needs. Their production capabilities have to be slowly slipping, due to wear and tear on the derricks and pumps, much of the available trucking being diverted to military use, and a major man power shortage.
Then, they want to hurt Europe for supporting Ukraine. Just plain vindictiveness. They're using fuel as a weapon, trying to cripple the economies of countries actively supporting Ukraine, trying to lower public sentiment for Ukraine, to get people to blame them for being cold this winter...Damaging the pipeline is a way to accomplish that without having to pay for breaching all the contracts they would be obviously breaching

This is all supposition, but it seems more likely to me than America doing it to ....Do what exactly? Get Europe mad at putin? They already are, with very little assistance from us.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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Really? Just a few months ago, ya'll were claiming that Vlad has $200 billion personally stashed away. Which is it, he's rich or broke?
that is two different things...russia is broke, and going broker...putin still has multiple stashes around the world, any one of which would set him and his family up for a life of luxury. you don't expect him to spend his own stolen profits to support his illegal, immoral war, do you?
 

hanimmal

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This is how i see it, not being combative...They don't have access to the repairs and replacement parts the pipeline needs. Their production capabilities have to be slowly slipping, due to wear and tear on the derricks and pumps, much of the available trucking being diverted to military use, and a major man power shortage.
Then, they want to hurt Europe for supporting Ukraine. Just plain vindictiveness. They're using fuel as a weapon, trying to cripple the economies of countries actively supporting Ukraine, trying to lower public sentiment for Ukraine, to get people to blame them for being cold this winter...Damaging the pipeline is a way to accomplish that without having to pay for breaching all the contracts they would be obviously breaching

This is all supposition, but it seems more likely to me than America doing it to ....Do what exactly? Get Europe mad at putin? They already are, with very little assistance from us.
Yup, and just in time the mini-Dictators like MBS are following Putin's play and are going to play fuckery with the gas prices just in time for our midterm elections.

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-inflation-health-germany-elections-d873521f8b165774de3902439dd5a6ee
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FRANKFURT, Germany (AP) — The OPEC+ alliance of oil-exporting countries decided Wednesday to sharply cut production to support sagging oil prices, a move that could deal the struggling global economy another blow and raise politically sensitive pump prices for U.S. drivers just ahead of key national elections.

Energy ministers cut production by a larger-than-expected 2 million barrels per day starting in November after gathering for their first face-to-face meeting at the Vienna headquarters of the OPEC oil cartel since the start of the COVID-19 pandemic.

The group said the decision was based on the “uncertainty that surrounds the global economic and oil market outlooks.” Saudi Energy Minister Abdulaziz bin Salman stressed the group’s stated role as a guardian of stable energy markets.

“We are here to stay as a moderating force, to bring about stability,” he told reporters.

Oil is trading well below its summer peaks because of fears that major global economies such as the U.S. or Europe will sink into recession due to high inflation, rising interest rates and energy uncertainty over Russia’s war in Ukraine. The OPEC+ decision could help member Russia weather a looming European ban on most of Moscow’s oil, but its impact will have some limitations because countries in the alliance already can’t meet their quotas.

U.S. President Joe Biden considered the OPEC+ decision “short-sighted while the global economy is dealing with the continued negative impact of (Russian President Vladimir) Putin’s invasion of Ukraine,” White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre told reporters aboard Air Force One.

“It’s clear that OPEC+ is aligning with Russia with today’s announcement,” she said.

Bin Salman rejected questions referencing the reaction in Washington or implying that OPEC was assisting Russia, saying the discussion was in a nonpolitical “silo” where the focus was prudent management of oil markets.

Following a token trim last month, Wednesday’s decision is an abrupt turnaround from months of restoring deep cuts made during the depths of the pandemic. As demand rebounded, global energy prices have swung wildly since Russia invaded Ukraine, helping fuel inflation that is squeezing economies worldwide.

Part of the OPEC+ cut is “on paper” because members already can’t supply enough oil to hit their allotments, said Gary Peach, oil markets analyst at energy information firm Energy Intelligence. “Only about half of that is real barrels,” he said.

A cut with oil near $90, which is “a comfortable price for all producers,” might not sit well with customers, but the oil ministers are “looking into the tunnel of recession ” that could lower demand in coming months, Peach said. “They decided to pre-empt that.”

The recent fall in oil prices has been a boon to U.S. drivers, who saw lower gasoline prices at the pump before costs recently started ticking up, and for Biden as his Democratic Party gears up for congressional elections next month.

Biden has tried to receive credit for gasoline prices falling from their average June peak of $5.02 — with administration officials highlighting a late March announcement that a million barrels a day would be released from the strategic reserve for six months. High inflation is a fundamental drag on Biden’s approval and has dampened Democrats’ chances in the midterm elections.

Oil supply could face further cutbacks in coming months when a European ban on most Russian imports takes effect in December. A separate move by the U.S. and other members of the Group of Seven wealthy democracies to impose a price cap on Russian oil could reduce supply if Russia retaliates by refusing to ship to countries and companies that observe the cap.

The EU agreed Wednesday on new sanctions that are expected to include a price cap on Russian oil, meant to starve Putin’s country of money for its war machine. It comes amid an energy crisis created by Russian reductions in natural gas supplies to Europe, whose leaders accuse Moscow of retaliation for their support for Ukraine and imposing of sanctions.

Russia “will need to find new buyers for its oil when the EU embargo comes into force in early December and will presumably have to make further price concessions to do so,” analysts at Commerzbank said. “Higher prices beforehand — boosted by production cuts elsewhere — would therefore doubtless be very welcome.”

International benchmark Brent has sagged as low as $84 in recent days after spending most of the summer months over $100 per barrel. U.S. crude rose to $87.64, and international benchmark Brent went up to $93.21 after the decision.
 

PJ Diaz

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that is two different things...russia is broke, and going broker...putin still has multiple stashes around the world, any one of which would set him and his family up for a life of luxury. you don't expect him to spend his own stolen profits to support his illegal, immoral war, do you?
Yeah, it he's really the world's richest man, then I would fully expect him to spend at least 10% of his stash to win his war. Why wouldn't he? What else would he have to spend it on?
 

CunningCanuk

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Has the pungent smell of truth to it doesn't it?
Allies you say?
You have to love new allies. The enemy of my enemy and all that.
Does the US have allies with Ukraine?


The U.S. maintains an embassy in the Ukrainian capital Kyiv, and Ukraine maintains an embassy in the American capital Washington, D.C. In addition to diplomatic support in its conflict with Russia, the U.S. provided Ukraine with US$1.5 billion in military aid from 2014 to 2019.


Out of curiosity as im not up on the Hunter investigation but when was he in the Ukraine?
Luke buddy, had a few tonight, have you?

“pungent smell of truth”. lol. You’re a veritable Aussie bard.
 

Grandpapy

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NS2 did cost the Russians already 11 billion bucks in february this year, it an irony someone would just invest this for some market manipulation.

This is from the link an article from 24.02.2022

and the article clearly reveils some of the ulterior motives/interests: to antagonize Russia

U.S. slaps sanctions on company building Russia's Nord Stream 2 pipeline

Since Exxon wont be making the 500 billion in Russia as planed, they now stand to shift nextdoor and win the contract there.:blsmoke:
 
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