AR-15 stands for assault rifle 15

cannabineer

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
ActionianJacksonian said:
Your "assault weapon" ban is about to be ruled Unconstitutional in your state. I suggest a nice Carolina example for you from FN if you can afford it or the Palmetto State Armory with an FN barrel at least.

You could even get an AR-10 in .308 which is just a modern version of the venerable M1A with the same capacity as was available since 1945.
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actually,
my tastes are more in this direction.

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printer

printer

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ActionianJacksonian said:
Speaking of cherry picking:



As we can clearly see in the data, homicide was on the rise as your "research" indicates "gun deaths" was on the decline from 03-17. Then a massive drop as regulations were lifted to allow law abiding citizens to defend themselves from homicides.



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I never said more guns= less crimes. That was your assumption. Our gun debate is about homicide. Look at the post above from the Rights grabbers. "Public safety", "the children" and such. These are homicide terms yet they include suicide in the data.

The only point is what you just proved, that grabbing guns did not reduce the homicide rate in Brasil, the opposite happened. As regulations relaxed in 17 for law abiding citizens there was an instant drop.

So the murder rate went went down because more citizens had access to the best defense tool.

Yet you cry that gun deaths went down.? Who cares? What effect did that have on murder rates? None.

So pick any tool. Toothbrush deaths will go down if you ban toothbrushes, but what effect does it have on murder rate?
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Spin cycle. How about something to back up your assertions?

So, what explains the drop in homicide?

What explains Brazil's homicide decline?
First, it is important to recall that 2017 was Brazil’s annus horribilis - an orgy of lethal violence. More people were violently killed that year - almost 64,000 - than at any other time in the nation's history. The explosion of violence was due in large part to a rupture of a truce between the country’s two rival drug-trafficking factions - the Primary First Command (PCC) and the Red Command (CV) - and disputes over control of the country’s drugs trade. Inter-factional violence coincided with a boom in cocaine production in neighboring Colombia and Peru. The gradual decline in homicide in 2018 and 2019 can be interpreted as a kind of "correction".

Second, a cluster of measures introduced by the Temer administration in 2017 and 2018 may have also played a partial role in reducing murder. These include improvements in coordinating and managing police forces and improving investigatory capacities from the national to the state level. The federal authorities also started to more actively separate violent factional leaders from other inmates held in state prisons. Large-scale federal police and military operations were launched in some states to tamp down urban violence. Even so, these measures should not be over-stated: homicide rates started falling in states like Alagoas, Bahia, Minas Gerais, Rio Grande do Sul that did not receive much federal attention.

Third, and arguably even more important, several public security programs and projects had already been launched by Brazilian states well before the 2018 presidential election. Examples include problem-oriented policing and social prevention measures in places like Ceara, Espirito Santo, Para and Pernambuco. These interventions focused on improving police training, focusing law enforcement and welfare assets on areas of concentrated disadvantage, and involving local communities more directly in the planning and execution of safety and security. Stricter controls were also imposed on some state prison facilities, though this did not prevent brutal flare-ups in 2019 in some parts of the country.

Fourth, are structural factors like changes in the economy and demography of Brazil. It is conceivable that the slow-down in the Brazilian economy from 2014 to 2016 may have driven up property crimes while the marginal improvements since 2018 contributed to reducing them. Meanwhile, the long-term reduction in the country’s youth population - by over 12 percent since 2000 - may also have played a role. While these and other factors may have contributed to varying degrees, more study is surely required to better understand their specific influence.
www.opendemocracy.net

What explains Brazil's homicide decline?

How has Brazil managed to reduce its homicide rate by 20%? It's got little to do with Bolsonaro.Español Português
www.opendemocracy.net www.opendemocracy.net

Also, how about not cutting off the graph where it pleases you? Seems like there will be an upward trend again.

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Budley Doright

Budley Doright

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printer said:
Spin cycle. How about something to back up your assertions?

So, what explains the drop in homicide?

What explains Brazil's homicide decline?
First, it is important to recall that 2017 was Brazil’s annus horribilis - an orgy of lethal violence. More people were violently killed that year - almost 64,000 - than at any other time in the nation's history. The explosion of violence was due in large part to a rupture of a truce between the country’s two rival drug-trafficking factions - the Primary First Command (PCC) and the Red Command (CV) - and disputes over control of the country’s drugs trade. Inter-factional violence coincided with a boom in cocaine production in neighboring Colombia and Peru. The gradual decline in homicide in 2018 and 2019 can be interpreted as a kind of "correction".

Second, a cluster of measures introduced by the Temer administration in 2017 and 2018 may have also played a partial role in reducing murder. These include improvements in coordinating and managing police forces and improving investigatory capacities from the national to the state level. The federal authorities also started to more actively separate violent factional leaders from other inmates held in state prisons. Large-scale federal police and military operations were launched in some states to tamp down urban violence. Even so, these measures should not be over-stated: homicide rates started falling in states like Alagoas, Bahia, Minas Gerais, Rio Grande do Sul that did not receive much federal attention.

Third, and arguably even more important, several public security programs and projects had already been launched by Brazilian states well before the 2018 presidential election. Examples include problem-oriented policing and social prevention measures in places like Ceara, Espirito Santo, Para and Pernambuco. These interventions focused on improving police training, focusing law enforcement and welfare assets on areas of concentrated disadvantage, and involving local communities more directly in the planning and execution of safety and security. Stricter controls were also imposed on some state prison facilities, though this did not prevent brutal flare-ups in 2019 in some parts of the country.

Fourth, are structural factors like changes in the economy and demography of Brazil. It is conceivable that the slow-down in the Brazilian economy from 2014 to 2016 may have driven up property crimes while the marginal improvements since 2018 contributed to reducing them. Meanwhile, the long-term reduction in the country’s youth population - by over 12 percent since 2000 - may also have played a role. While these and other factors may have contributed to varying degrees, more study is surely required to better understand their specific influence.
www.opendemocracy.net

What explains Brazil's homicide decline?

How has Brazil managed to reduce its homicide rate by 20%? It's got little to do with Bolsonaro.Español Português
www.opendemocracy.net www.opendemocracy.net

Also, how about not cutting off the graph where it pleases you? Seems like there will be an upward trend again.

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Ya well……..lol.
 
Budley Doright

Budley Doright

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ActionianJacksonian said:
Speaking of cherry picking:



As we can clearly see in the data, homicide was on the rise as your "research" indicates "gun deaths" was on the decline from 03-17. Then a massive drop as regulations were lifted to allow law abiding citizens to defend themselves from homicides.



View attachment 5181075

I never said more guns= less crimes. That was your assumption. Our gun debate is about homicide. Look at the post above from the Rights grabbers. "Public safety", "the children" and such. These are homicide terms yet they include suicide in the data.

The only point is what you just proved, that grabbing guns did not reduce the homicide rate in Brasil, the opposite happened. As regulations relaxed in 17 for law abiding citizens there was an instant drop.

So the murder rate went went down because more citizens had access to the best defense tool.

Yet you cry that gun deaths went down.? Who cares? What effect did that have on murder rates? None.

So pick any tool. Toothbrush deaths will go down if you ban toothbrushes, but what effect does it have on murder rate?
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Can you repeat this ^ I don’t understand, thanks!
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
ActionianJacksonian said:
Speaking of cherry picking:



As we can clearly see in the data, homicide was on the rise as your "research" indicates "gun deaths" was on the decline from 03-17. Then a massive drop as regulations were lifted to allow law abiding citizens to defend themselves from homicides.



View attachment 5181075

I never said more guns= less crimes. That was your assumption. Our gun debate is about homicide. Look at the post above from the Rights grabbers. "Public safety", "the children" and such. These are homicide terms yet they include suicide in the data.

The only point is what you just proved, that grabbing guns did not reduce the homicide rate in Brasil, the opposite happened. As regulations relaxed in 17 for law abiding citizens there was an instant drop.

So the murder rate went went down because more citizens had access to the best defense tool.

Yet you cry that gun deaths went down.? Who cares? What effect did that have on murder rates? None.

So pick any tool. Toothbrush deaths will go down if you ban toothbrushes, but what effect does it have on murder rate?
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actually,

our gun debate does not always conform to your goalpost tectonics. In this instance, total harm is a more comprehensive metric.

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doublejj

doublejj

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Sir Napsalot said:
You were at the Grand Funk Railroad concert at the LA Forum when I first smoked pot
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Yeah I was still in the Army. i Went to visit friends and family in LA and they took me to the concert. My dad was an engineer at Garrett AiResearch in Torrance. I was born in LA & went to Hawthorne High School. I still have my Hawthorne letterman jacket someplace, I should try to find it.
 
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