ComfortCreator
Well-Known Member
I havent noticed much difference but have had enough people tell me they did that I switched.
Boveda?
- Thread starter PioneerValleyOG
- Start date
OldSkoolBro
Member
62% for sure will smoke perfectly no matter what your preference and will last longer in case of storage.
lusidghost
Well-Known Member
I've never used any of the other brands, but I've been using Bovedas for about 6 years now and defend them fiercely. A few years ago they added "terp lock technology" whatever that is. I'm sure the other brands are fine.
I've been meaning to make my own, but I bought a big bundle of packs which postponed my experiments. I found the ingredients along with the percentages on a tea forum oddly enough, and then on an OHSA page. I posted it here:
DIY Boveda Relative Humidity Packs?
I was digging around and I came across this blog. https://www.teaforum.org/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=177 On page 4 of the comments someone asks about 62%, and another person responded with this: ..... "if Boveda is too expensive, you could look at other brands like Integra Boost. if you want to DIY...
www.rollitup.org
BucketGrower
Well-Known Member
Anyone know if the boveda packs on aliexpress are legit or at least work?
lusidghost
Well-Known Member
I have no idea, but if you treat them right they will last a really long time. I wouldn't gamble on them to save a few dollars unless you're buying commercial level bulk.
PadawanWarrior
Well-Known Member
How long have you kept a Boveda in a jar of weed?
PadawanWarrior
Well-Known Member
I wouldn't order Boveda's off Alibaba. Are you sure they're not called Broveda, lol?
lusidghost
Well-Known Member
I've only reupped a few times since I started using them. The longest is probably close to two years. Maybe not quite that long, but somewhere in there. I put them in a bin with a cup of water to rehydrate them before they start hardening up.
PadawanWarrior
Well-Known Member
I've used them too. I can't decide if they rob terps or not. I kinda think they do so I haven't been using them lately. I can't say for sure though. I took them out of all my jars.
I have some weed that's 3 years old. Too bad I didn't leave a pack in a few jars so I could test after this long.
I think I might prefer to use them just at the beginning to stabilize the RH, and then take them out for long term storage. I should do an experiment and leave one in a jar and compare after awhile.
Ive reused them too. I just throw them in a freezer ziplock with a moist paper towel until they re moisten. My question about that is can we accidentally raise the RH of the packs over 62% or whatever the packs are rated for?
lusidghost
Well-Known Member
They use different types of salts for different humidity levels, and since they work both ways I wouldn't think so. I've personally never seen them lose their accuracy. They always get retired when their dry out too much. You can probably ruin the packs themselves if you let them draw too much moisture.
One tip is don't split them up and then later try to use them in the same container. They will fight each other while trying to find homeostasis. I used like 20 of the 67 gram packs at a time in the big bins.
PadawanWarrior
Well-Known Member
Ya. When I was recharging them I would put a bunch in the bag. When one felt like new again I took that one out and put it in a bag of recharged ones and let the rest soak up more moisture.
I've brought back completely dried out ones, but it just took longer. I would also use my fingers to kinda loosen up the hardened salts.
ComputerSaysNo
Well-Known Member
To the people here who think it's possible that the Bovedas "lock up terpenes":
How is that supposed to happen? I mean, what would happen chemically?
An "odor" is an air-borne molecule, it has left the flower, if the humidity pack "locks it up" it's no difference to the flower.
The humidity pack does not "suck terpenes out of the flower". That's a ridiculous notion.
The packs are made of two parts, one that absorbs excess moisture, and another that evaporates water to increase humidity. The part that absorbs moisture is not going to pull anything out of the flower or the trichomes.
The only reason why humidity packs would alter flavour in any way is because the relative humidity they create would have some effect (I don't know if that's the case).
How is that supposed to happen? I mean, what would happen chemically?
An "odor" is an air-borne molecule, it has left the flower, if the humidity pack "locks it up" it's no difference to the flower.
The humidity pack does not "suck terpenes out of the flower". That's a ridiculous notion.
The packs are made of two parts, one that absorbs excess moisture, and another that evaporates water to increase humidity. The part that absorbs moisture is not going to pull anything out of the flower or the trichomes.
The only reason why humidity packs would alter flavour in any way is because the relative humidity they create would have some effect (I don't know if that's the case).
PadawanWarrior
Well-Known Member
You should see what they had on their site talking about the terpene shield before they took it off. They admitted the weed wouldn't smell as strong until you ground it up. It was when they were doing the Boveda Challenge.
"When you store your flower with Boveda, a saltwater solution creates a monolayer of purified water molecules that naturally coats your trichomes. This shield prevents the evaporation of terpenes. So you haven’t lost the smell you love, you’ve saved her precious terpenes. "
lusidghost
Well-Known Member
I don't know about their monolayer of water molecules claim because I'm not a moisture scientist, but saying they "admit" weed smells stronger when it's ground up is hilarious. Regardless of curing process, all herb is more aromatic after being ground.
PadawanWarrior
Well-Known Member
There was a FAQ on there asking about the smell, and they admitted that the weed doesn't smell as much until you grind it because the shield has locked in the smell, lol.
It's not on there anymore.
There was a Boveda guy on here awhile ago too that I thought talked about it but I can't find it now.
ComputerSaysNo
Well-Known Member
I've read what they wrote about the "smell locked in" a while ago on their home page. It did not make immediate sense to me. Why would a certain humidity "lock in" a smell? If that's the case, it would not be due to the Boveda pack.
I don't know how much difference it makes how moist the weed is when smoked. The amounts I can smoke without going doo-doo are small enough that it makes no difference to me. It might as well be bone-dry.
I would like to know if the relative humidity makes a difference while the flower is curing. Does adding a 62% pack in order to cure the weed make sense? Or could I just leave it in a sealed jar, opening it occasionally? Is the curing process itself enhanced in any way by the specific humidity?
I think the flowers feel better to the touch while they're not completely dry. Adding a 62% pack for that reason alone makes some sense to me. At least if I was planning to sell the stuff.
I don't know how much difference it makes how moist the weed is when smoked. The amounts I can smoke without going doo-doo are small enough that it makes no difference to me. It might as well be bone-dry.
I would like to know if the relative humidity makes a difference while the flower is curing. Does adding a 62% pack in order to cure the weed make sense? Or could I just leave it in a sealed jar, opening it occasionally? Is the curing process itself enhanced in any way by the specific humidity?
I think the flowers feel better to the touch while they're not completely dry. Adding a 62% pack for that reason alone makes some sense to me. At least if I was planning to sell the stuff.
lusidghost
Well-Known Member
I think what they're getting at is the bud and the air around the it is moist, so if the bud starts to dry it immediately pulls more moisture. It's like a Blumat for curing. The terpenes are off gassing at a much slower rate. This is why non-humidity pack jars smell louder. They are evaporating more terpenes. The smell is stronger, but that's because it's releasing more into the atmosphere. Same with grinding it. But it still isn't "locking in" the smell when I open the big bins or stealing the terps of the buds who escape.
ComfortCreator
Well-Known Member
I think the proof that at a minimum they had a PR problem, and more likely a real one is their website. The entire page is dedicated to the original terpene lock. They didnt use to say any of that. It is in response to loss of sales to Boost and others. Not hard to imagine that taking a tobacco product and using it for cannabis had unintended problems i.e. tobacco stinks so strong they would never notice the issue! Just my guess.
I would guess that when moisture is absorbed, in previous formulations the salt water also absorbed some terps. Why would that be hard to imagine? Boost markets as a special gel that has no issues.
Boost may absorb a little too, who knows? If you haven't tried Boost give them a shot.
I would guess that when moisture is absorbed, in previous formulations the salt water also absorbed some terps. Why would that be hard to imagine? Boost markets as a special gel that has no issues.
Boost may absorb a little too, who knows? If you haven't tried Boost give them a shot.
lusidghost
Well-Known Member
All of the humidity pack brands would have to absorb terps because they are all made from the same basic ingredients: a specific salt, water, a thickening agent and a preservative. I believe this is there response to claims that humidity packs in general steal terps.
PadawanWarrior
Well-Known Member
Boveda sent me this last year.
