Oldtimers haze dont come from the haze lines..the only relationship it has to haze is the Colombian in it is probably the same as what makes up a part of haze..it lacks the power that the hazes had before mass inbreeding.
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Thats like saying any sativa thats uses similar parents that the true haze was made up are haze. Haze was the name given to a sativa line that was made up by the haze brothers..what is now known as oldtimers haze does not come from the haze brothers genetic combination that made ther haze lines, it dosent come from the last reproduction in the u.s.done by the haze brothers..unless sam gave it to him because the seeds from the last reproduction ended up with sam...this is exactly why ace say that the background of oltimers haze is ambiguous..also I wouldn't be so quick to believe all marketing materials used by companies to to sell ther lines..eg..ace also claim they have Neville's haze that was a cutting that nevil himself selected...this is false...it wasnt nevils hand selected cutting..in truth it was a seed of the original Neville's haze from the late 80's that was grown out by someone completely different..and held on to by that person..nevil created it but its not his hand selected seed/cutting...and thats a fact..alot of cleaver marketing is done to sell seeds and sometimes its not exactly true.Oldtimers Haze is definitely a true Haze.
"The Haze was developed in California in the 1960s and 70s by crossing some of the best tropical sativas which had been imported during that period. Its exact genotype remains unknown, but it is probably a hybrid of different sativas from Mexico, Southern India, Colombia and Thailand, the latter two being the most dominant in the final hybrid.
This mythical sativa, which has been the starting point for the development of the best hybrids of the past decades, was about to disappear during the 1980s due to the introduction of skunks and indicas in the breeding scene.
Ace seed’s Haze population comes from the last reproductions made with this variety in California, and it has been preserved intact until today by Oldtimer, a British breeder, and then reproduced by our breeders using a wide diversity of parental plants.
Oldtimer’s Haze still preserves the genetic diversity that many present Haze lines have already lost, and it is possible to find phenotypes ranging from the mythic and nearly extinct “Purple Haze” to the most popular “Green Haze” phenotype, and of course intermediate combinations as well. "
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"Oldtimer’s Haze is a semi-stable old school Haze varietal from the 60s and 70s. This strain survived for decades with the help of Oldtimer, a British cannabis breeder, and has since gone on to influence famous buds like Purple Haze and Green Haze. While the genetic background of this strain is ambiguous, it remains one of Ace Seeds’ most sought after cultivars. Oldtimer’s Haze offers stimulating effects and aromas that speak to the heady, spicy buds of yesteryear."
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Oldtimer’s Haze is a semi-stable old school Haze varietal from the 60s and 70s. This strain survived for decades with the help of Oldtimer, a British cannabis breeder, and has since gone on to influence famous buds like Purple Haze and Green Haze. While the genetic background of this strain is...
I'm the last one to believe all the marketing nonsense prevalent in the cannabis industry. Why you want to claim it's not a Haze is beyond me. There is information from a variety of different sources that say it is a Haze. Who are you to say it's not a true Haze? I'm going to go with the available information from others that say it is. The breeder at ACE has not been challenged by any actual breeders that know the history so that says a lot right there. But you can claim it's not a Haze and people are supposed to take that as the truth? Bring some proof to the party. Going by your definition then no Kush being sold is a real Kush and no Diesel is a real Diesel. Oldtimers Haze is a true Haze whether you think it is or not.
Dude the breeder has been challenged a number of times by many people on calling it haze..but says cuz it has similar traits even though it dont come from the haze lines that ther gona call it haze...message him and ask him..I dont gain nothing..I have no reson to lie..im not making any money from this..they say that cuz it has similarities ther calling it haze..and thats all it has in common.. the original hazes wernt mild they rip your head off full stop..an most of the stuff even today are finding it hard to match that...ask ace or old timer wen the haze brothers did the last reproduction of haze..they have no clue..only sam and later nevil had the seeds from the last reproduction..ask sam if he gave oldtimer any seeds from the last reproduction...and the words " the background of oldtimers haze are ambiguous" speak for themselves.I'm the last one to believe all the marketing nonsense prevalent in the cannabis industry. Why you want to claim it's not a Haze is beyond me. There is information from a variety of different sources that say it is a Haze. Who are you to say it's not a true Haze? I'm going to go with the available information from others that say it is. The breeder at ACE has not been challenged by any actual breeders that know the history so that says a lot right there. But you can claim it's not a Haze and people are supposed to take that as the truth? Bring some proof to the party. Going by your definition then no Kush being sold is a real Kush and no Diesel is a real Diesel. Oldtimers Haze is a true Haze whether you think it is or not.
Here's the official description from the breeder at ACE:
"High all!
Oldtimer's Haze is finally available after 2 years of hard work with CBG breeders. We'd love the line will be preserved in its original form in many places as possible.
Genetics: 100% sativa. Hybrid of different tropical sativas: Mexican, Purple Highland Colombian, Southern Indian (Kerala) and Thai.
The Haze was developed in California in the 1960s and 70s by crossing some of the best tropical sativas which had been imported during that period. Its exact genotype remains unknown, but it is probably a hybrid of different sativas from Mexico, Southern India, Colombia and Thailand, the two latter being the most dominant in the final hybrid.
This mythical sativa, which has been the starting point for the development of the best hybrids of the past decades, was about to disappear during the 1980s due to the introduction of skunks and indicas in the breeding scene.
Our Haze population comes from the last reproductions made with this variety in California, and it has been preserved intact until today by Oldtimer, a British breeder, and then reproduced by our breeders using a wide diversity of parental plants."
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I see your point. I'd say the haze word conundrum is an instance of two people using the same word, "haze" in two different applications.
You say a true haze is 100% sativa, but haze itself isnt 100% sativa due to its northern lights herritage, northern lights is indica. Meaning haze isnt 100% sativa.
I think your on about nevils haze wich is different to original haze. Only weird thing is the old nevils haze even though it had nl in it would flower way longer than original haze.
What are you talking about? There is no Northern Lights in Haze. You must be referring to some hybrid. The original Haze was a combination of Mexican, Columbian, Thai, and Indian sativas.
Actually a lot of hazes have northern lights....most of nevilles hazes and almost all the dutch hazes....super silver haze....almost every modern haze does.
I have a question out of curiosity rob or anyone else for that matter. This is a genuine question on your opinions. Nowadays there are alot of lines out there that are labeled as original haze or pure haze ect and just because of the label people have accepted and treat them as pure haze when some are obviously not pure old school haze. Now If I was to come across something that was a pure sativa and had all the traits of the old haze rather than the echo we get of it in the versions of today, and what id found made the majority of haze lines going around look like watered down versions of it, should I and would I be justified in putting it out as the pure primal haze ?I see your point. I'd say the haze word conundrum is an instance of two people using the same word, "haze" in two different applications.
If your definition for haze is it comes from haze brothers stock, then you are using the word correctly to your definition.
If another party is using the word haze to describe a plant with certain characteristics, maybe a haze type high, growth pattern or it just has the word haze in its name, they could be right too.
It could be in this situation, two differing rights are alright.
Don't get me started on the word "Kush" though.
I think an argument could definitely be made, however I dont feel anyone has the actual original or pure Haze.....i think that over time its been hybridized and the original was probably lost/killed at some point.
Good question. Clarification is a good thing between service provider and customer. It would not be a good thing to intentionally mislead someone if you value their business, plus it's bad karma.